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In New Zealand, the return of wild takahē populations marks a cautiously celebrated conservation victory, and the return of one of the world’s rarest creatures. The birds had been formally declared extinct in 1898, their already-reduced population devastated by the arrival of European settlers’ animal companions: stoats, cats, ferrets and rats. After their rediscovery in 1948, their numbers are now at about 500, growing at about 8% a year.

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[-] anon6789@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I'm from the US, and usually all we hear about Australia and New Zealand is of the scary, deadly animals. I've been happy to see so many articles on Lemmy about all the work they are doing on endangered animals like this bird and the bandicoots.

I'm also surprised that so many of these programs seem to involve indigenous people. I don't know much about that part of the world, but I wish we would involve our native people in things like this. It feels we still keep ourselves cut off from each other. It makes all these feel good animal stories into feel good people stories.

[-] taldennz@lemmy.nz 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

New Zealand doesn't really have any deadly animals.

No scorpions, snakes (other than the very appearance of a sea-snake), crocs, large cats, bears, etc. Our most venomous spiders can generally only make most people a little bit unwell. We might occasionally see a potentially dangerous shark but they're so rare that I can't recall when a notable attack happened.

Our insects aren't generally disease spreaders - though we've come close a few times to some getting a foothold.

Colonists introduced many destructive species but nothing very personally dangerous. In theory there could still be moose, but it seems unlikely.

The only NZ native land-mammal is a tiny bat as far as I know.

There is the small problem with orcs, goblins, trolls and Australians... but it's okay, we have a wizard (retired?).

[-] liv@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

How very dare you. Two tiny bats!

[-] taldennz@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago

I missed the other ones... Must've been hiding behind the first one...

[-] liv@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Long tailed bat and short tailed bat.

We used to have 3 but the bigger version of short tailed bats died out.

[-] taldennz@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Two! Two bats!

(The actual bats don't look anything like these bats. This is just a tribute)

[-] anon6789@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

Lol, you two have me picturing literally just 3 bats in the whole country and the middle one being upset he isn't biggest or smallest and is plotting to take one of the other 2 out.

[-] liv@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Want a another fun fact? The bats evolved to spend a lot of time just walking around on the ground.

And, there's a special species of fly that lost the ability to actually fly, and for transport it rides around on the backs of the short tailed bats.

Edit: links in next comment.

[-] anon6789@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I enjoy that I can no longer tell if you are serious or not!

What a country! 😂

[-] liv@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All my fun facts are 100% real! Footage of short tailed bat walking around on the ground.

Wikipedia entry on Bat Fly .

Department of Conservation bat blog about the flies, with pictures.

Hmm this bat is so cute I might go post it on an ecology community now. :-)

[-] anon6789@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

The bat is definitely cute!

[-] liv@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I really need a photoshop-like app on my phone for things like this.

[-] anon6789@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you for all that! As I said, we don't seem to get taught much about that part of the world. LotR is probably the only NZ thing I can recall of the top of my head, which is pretty embarrassing.

[-] taldennz@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago

In that case let's really blow your mind...

A Kiwi is a bird or a person, not a fruit.

... Also New Zealand is comprised of three major islands North Island, South Island and West Island... Also some of my facts may be slightly inaccurate - but not the bit about the fruit.

[-] anon6789@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I had heard the kiwi stuff, but you had me second guessing myself!

I did look up the island names since I had never heard Aotearoa before, and a few of the blurbs say there are a few hundred actual islands that make up New Zealand, but it seems nobody can agree on an actual number because they all have a different estimate.

[-] taldennz@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago

Actually New Zealand has quite a few islands and more than three that are inhabited, but the three that most people refer to are North Island, South Island and Stewart Island (even though there are larger populations on others). The fourth most likely inhabited island to be mentioned is Waiheke Island (and the third most populated).

[-] Malgas@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Haast's Eagle is said to have sometimes hunted and killed people (it's main prey were moa, so it was definitely physically capable of it) but it's been extinct for like 600 years.

[-] liv@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fun fact: Australia and New Zealand are 2,516 miles apart, and don't share much of the same wildlife.

The Indigenous people of Aotearoa make up 16% of the population so they are demographically a much larger political and social force than in the US or Australia.

I've posted several articles about links between various Indigenous cultural traditions and ecological conservation over at !conservative@kbin.social if you're interested.

[-] anon6789@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you! Those are some pretty significant facts. I've got much to learn about things over there!

[-] liv@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Thanks for this article, it's very cool!

[-] snaptastic@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

The deadly animals are from Australia, not New Zealand.

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