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While I am glad this ruling went this way, why'd she have diss Data to make it?

To support her vision of some future technology, Millett pointed to the Star Trek: The Next Generation character Data, a sentient android who memorably wrote a poem to his cat, which is jokingly mocked by other characters in a 1992 episode called "Schisms." StarTrek.com posted the full poem, but here's a taste:

"Felis catus is your taxonomic nomenclature, / An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature; / Your visual, olfactory, and auditory senses / Contribute to your hunting skills and natural defenses.

I find myself intrigued by your subvocal oscillations, / A singular development of cat communications / That obviates your basic hedonistic predilection / For a rhythmic stroking of your fur to demonstrate affection."

Data "might be worse than ChatGPT at writing poetry," but his "intelligence is comparable to that of a human being," Millet wrote. If AI ever reached Data levels of intelligence, Millett suggested that copyright laws could shift to grant copyrights to AI-authored works. But that time is apparently not now.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Walk out into the wilderness and make it on your own out there, tell me how much manpower you have to spend keeping your core temperature above 90F. It takes a lot of effort keeping a human alive; by yourself you just can't afford things like electricity, sewage treatment and antibiotics. We only have those things because of the economies of scale that society allows.

Yeah, capitalism is a bit out of control at the moment, but...let's kill all the billionaires, kill their families, kill their heirs, kill the stockholders. Let me pull on my swastika and my toothbrush mustache for a minute and go full on Auschwitz on "greedy people." That the Musks and Gateses and Buffets of the world must be genetically greedy, so we must genocide that out of the population. And we get it done. Every CEO, every heiress, every reality TV producer, every lobbyist, every inside trader in congress, every warden of a for-profit prison, dead to the last fetus.

Now what?

You want to live in a house? Okay. At some point someone built that house. Someone walked out into a forest and cut down the trees that made the boards. And/or dug the clay that made the bricks or whatever. Somebody mined the iron ore that someone else smelted into large gauge wire that someone else made into nails that someone else pounded into the boards to hold them together.

We're still in the 21st century, there are people on this planet lighting their homes with kerosene lanterns. We still have coal miners, fishermen and loggers. Farming has always been a difficult, miserable thing to do, we've just mechanized it to the point that it's difficult and miserable on a relatively small number of people. Those people probably aren't going to keep farming at industrial scale for the fun of it.

Star Trek, especially in the TNG era, shows us a very optimistic idea of what life would be like if we had not only nuclear fission power, not only nuclear fusion power, but antimatter power. The technology to travel faster than the speed of light and an energy source capable of fueling it, plus such marvels as the food replicator and matter transporter. The United Federation of Planets is a post-scarcity society. We aren't. Somewhere on this planet right now is a man hosing blended human shit off of an impeller in a stopped sewage treatment plant so he can replace the leaking shaft seal. We use a man with a hose for this because it's the best technology we have for the job. We do the job at all because if we don't, it'll cause a few million cases of cholera. Who do you think should pay for the hose that guy is using?

[–] Lazhward@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you just can't afford things like electricity, sewage treatment and antibiotics. We only have those things because of the economies of scale that society allows.

We have those things because people do the required labour, economies of scale make it require less labour, but one can't afford it because it's privatized. Why wouldn't people do this simply for the benefit of humanity?

genetically greedy, so we must genocide that out of the population

What's with the disgusting eugenics? Just expropriate their wealth.

At some point someone built that house.

Yeah people built a lot of houses, so let's use them? And build more if needed?

it's difficult and miserable on a relatively small number of people. Those people probably aren't going to keep farming at industrial scale for the fun of it.

Right, so let's distribute the burden of this labour instead of having a small number of people do it for a lifetime.

We do the job at all because if we don't, it'll cause a few million cases of cholera. Who do you think should pay for the hose that guy is using?

Since the labour protects all of us, all of us collectively. Again, for the benefit of humanity and let's distribute the burden.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why wouldn’t people do this simply for the benefit of humanity?

Because the good of humanity doesn't heat the house or put dinner on the table. Never has and never will. If you were a human, you'd have learned that from experience.

What’s with the disgusting eugenics? Just expropriate their wealth.

Some of that is exaggeration for comedic effect. "Okay, thanos snap every rich person everywhere is gone, we've solved greed. Now what?" But also...have we ever tried exterminating the rich? I think I've got a hypothesis here worth testing.

Right, so let’s distribute the burden of this labour

Who gets to make the decisions as to how?

Again, for the benefit of humanity and let’s distribute the burden.

Well now we're getting into some Robert Heinlein. Service Guarantees Citizenship! Would you like to know more?

I believe he once backed down a little bit on the requirement for military service, in favor of civil service in general. And I can kinda get behind that. You want to have a say in how society is run? Go spend 6 years as a mailman or a middle school janitor. Go be an NTSB accident investigator or one of those folks working in the USDA's kitchens testing canning recipes for safety. Those are the folks who should be running the show.

[–] Lazhward@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because the good of humanity doesn't heat the house or put dinner on the table. Never has and never will. If you were a human, you'd have learned that from experience.

I don't know man, money doesn't heat my home or grow food. It's the skilled maintenance worker who fixes the central heating, the farmers growing my food and the logistics personnel ensuring it ends up on the supermarket shelves. It's just good people doing the work that needs doing, I don't think it's a given that anyone needs monetary compensation for that.

Who gets to make the decisions as to how?

This is why we invented democracies.

Those are the folks who should be running the show.

Haha, hell yeah! Just imagine decision makers having actual experience doing useful labour, I imagine things would turn out better indeed! :)

I don’t think it’s a given that anyone needs monetary compensation for that.

Stop paying them and find out.