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It's unfortunate because his leadership / sense of taste is what made Apple a powerhouse. Under Tim Apple, the software has languished. They're great at hardware and the software is far from great. What a shame.
"leadership" by which you mean being abusive to his colleagues and refusing to take a shower.
He was a dick, but he had a good mind for products. He wasn't infallible, but he had a sense of taste that was useful in driving others who had greater skills than he.
What's an anecdote of a single positive thing he's done?
(You can't use the Lisa because he pretended most of her life that this child he pretended wasn't hers also wasn't the namesake of the computer?
Not an anecdote: he slashed a product line that was confusing and introduced a four quad chart: Laptop, desktop, consumer, pro. It didn't last (see MacBook Air among MacBook and MacBook Pro), but it was obviously better. If you're in such denial that he was a great leader during his second stint at Apple, I don't know what to tell you.
Fact check: he did shower. It’s just his definition of a shower was plunging his feed in the company toilets.
Eh, I feel like Jobs was in charge when he could create new products.
Outside of a different Apple Watch launch, I don't see Jobs really having the ability to create new innovative products.
Yeah computers were doubling in speed every 18 months back then. And there were competing products oftentimes years before Apple put out their version. Apple primarily put a lot of polish onto the technological innovations that were happening at the time.
Don't get me wrong polish is really important. Apple didn't invent the MP3 player or the smartphone. But the MP3 players before the iPod were really fiddley and janky. BlackBerries had a downright primitive look and feel next to an iPhone.
Also marketing... a lot of people didn't know MP3 players existed until they saw advertisements for the iPod.
I mean jobs hated the palm pilot and complained what a piece of shit it was, and then just forced people to make a better one.
He didn't create new products. He conducted the people who were creating new products and steered them. He wasn't a genius. He was good at guiding people who were.
I'm not saying Jobs was a genius, but he was skilled at leading product design teams that turned cutting edge hardware to practical applications that the market could understand.
And, in general, the market over the past few years has seen little hardware innovation.
We're saying the same thing.
You're also talking about a man who thought touchscreens were a bad idea.
And then lead the design team that created the implementation of touchscreens that became standard.
What? Microsoft is putting an AI key on every keyboard! Now there's two keys to replace if you don't run windows. If that's not innovation, I don't know what is.