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International chess federation FIDE: a trans woman "has no right to participate in official FIDE events for women" (doc.fide.com)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by chuso@kbin.social to c/lgbtq_plus@beehaw.org

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The international chess federation known as FIDE has published new rules that state that a person whose "gender was changed from a male to a female the player has no right to participate in official FIDE events for women until further FIDE’s decision is made".

The new rules introduce the following changes:

Trans women cannot participate in the women's category unless they are explicitly allowed in a case-by-case process that can take up to two years.
Trans men will be stripped of their titles achieved before their transition while trans women will retain their titles achieved before their transition.
In case a trans person is allowed to participate, their trans condition will be added to their files and communicated to events organizers.

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[-] UngodlyAudrey@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago

Yes, this does sound very TERF-y. I have gotten three reports on this already in just ten minutes. FIDE's ruling others us for no damn reason. Their argument boils down to "AMAB people tend to have more practice at chess", which is a ridiculous reason to exclude us for.

[-] Rentlar@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago

I've thought about it for a bit, see my other reply to @EsteeBestee.

I've ultimately come to the conclusion that really these rules are to protect the comfort of TERFs, and to be the most inclusive, FIDE shouldn't concern themselves on what TERFs think a "real woman" should be like.

I've made an honest attempt to find a rationale that supports inclusivity in FIDE's decision but after some consideration I realize it weighs much more against transgender rights than it supports women's rights.

[-] UngodlyAudrey@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I appreciate that you were able to adjust your stance given further evidence and admit that you were initially misguided. Not everyone can do that. Good on you! :)

[-] EsteeBestee@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And like... I kind of get where you were coming from, since certain media does its best to say that trans women are "invading" women's spaces or that trans women are inherently "unfair" when compared to cis women, so even if you don't buy into that stuff specifically, it can still be somewhat pervasive, especially since it isn't always hate-media spreading that. There's always a sort of background noise about how trans people are bad in some way, so it can be hard to have fully resolved thoughts on the subject.

The only issues I've personally seen relating to trans women in women's spaces is if a terf loses their shit, and usually in that case, the other cis women lose their shit at the terf. At least in my own life, the overwhelming majority of cis women seem to have no problem with trans women existing in women's spaces (where I am, at least, which is an admittedly progressive area) and I've never really seen a trans woman causing issues, personally, even in sport (I know there were some high level cases in the last few years, but that's like less than 1% of cases, most trans women in sport are just... women... playing sports). I guess that's why I'm so headstrong and forward on the topic, since media says all this and that about trans people and hardly none of it has been true in my own life. I know others' personal experiences will be different than mine, but I'm just really sick of seeing hate directed at minorities who just want to exist (you were not directing hate, I mean the FIDE ruling, you were being pretty darn reasonable, even if you initially disagreed with me).