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YouTube and Reddit are sued for allegedly enabling the racist mass shooting in Buffalo that left 10 dead::The complementary lawsuits claim that the massacre in 2022 was made possible by tech giants, a local gun shop, and the gunman’s parents.

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[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My comments were about principles,

So absolutely has no value in this discussion, thanks for clarifying.

The link has some of the things he said that are clearly not so innocuous as you seem to portray given the rise of the right wing.

I didn't click this link, because I don't really care. My father was Jewish, and he could say all Jewish people should be killed and I still would say he doesn't deserve to be put in jail. Sorry, your outrage doesn't override the first amendment. It's not "It's a joke" defense.. it's "There's freedom of speech". Hard stop. Are their limitations to it? Sure, but I'm pretty sure he's not hitting those bars.

You are misinformed

No you're talking about "Principles" which means you're in the wrong topic and the wrong discussion. And you're not misinformed, but willfully ignoring the reality of the situation. Maybe you're angry you're not right and you're trying to defend your position, but here's the thing, your position doesn't matter, the law matters... And no one is keeping score, so it's ok, you're wrong here, just stop making up shit.

at worst are resorting to the usual alt right talking points.

I always love this point. "If you don't agree with me, you're the enemy." I guess the ACLU is the Alt-Right, as is any lawyer who defends someone charged with saying something that hurt someone's feelings.

As for "priorities". If you think freedom of speech isn't important, let's think about that. It's great right now, Nazi's can't say shit, you can say anything you want to them. But what's that, a future where someone you don't like is in power, and suddenly you can't say anything and some party (potentially Nazis) can.... Oh shit, well maybe Freedom of Speech IS actually important.

As a matter of principle,

I'll repeat this again, "principles" don't matter, laws do.

which is that I do not place the ultimate value on freedom of speech

That's fine, but we're all talking about an American case, let's focus on American laws, and not "What dublet feel is right".

This is the last time I'm responding to you because you've made it clear you're talking about the world according you. I live in a real place, with actual laws, where this case is taking place. It's called the United States of America. It doesn't matter where you live, it doesn't matter what laws apply to you. We're talking about a specific place and specific laws. When you want to talk about those laws... well find someone else because you've already wasted enough of my time, but until you focus on how the world actually works, really no one should waste their time discussing your version of the law... because it has no basis in reality.

[–] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My father was Jewish, and he could say all Jewish people should be killed and I still would say he doesn’t deserve to be put in jail

Roseanne Barr is jewish and recently denied the holocaust but also said that it should have happened.

Sure we're not gonna put her in jail but she's a guaranteed laughing stock and everyone knows it.

She straight up wrecked her career with that kind of thinking.

You don't have to go to jail for everyone to hate you for what you are. Have fun not being in jail lol

[–] Kinglink@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is true, but public reaction isn't the same as government intervention. People are accountable for their actions to others. The government can't limit speech but businesses can limit speech on their premises, and individuals can hold people accountable.

That saying Rosanne fucked herself years earlier with the "Ambien tweet" and that was decades after pissing off everyone while grabbing her crotch when singing the national anthem. She's had a lot of controversies. The fact she even had a platform to say something about the holocaust is insane, considering her career was toast after the Ambien thing. Which kind of sucks for her because the Conners are still going strong.

[–] cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

I mean I don't even care about government intervention. My point was you don't need to be put in jail for being a bad person.

If you're a bad person- you'll get treated as such.