I posted on lemmy.ml calling out tankies as terrible human beings. Pointed out the term was coined by communists disgusted at their fellows cheering on the Soviet's brutal oppression of other communists. Said tankies don't deserve the title of "communist", because at its core the ideals of communism are equity and human dignity. Called Marx "flawed and written for a world that existed 175 years ago".

They did not like that at all.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, Marx never claimed to have all the answers. His whole schtick was that society was progressing to a new and fairer stage of human civilization and economic organization, not that he knew the smoothest way to get there.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I always think of Marx as a brilliant economist, because he identified a lot of real issues with capitalism as industrialization was in full swing.

He really sucked on the political side of things though. "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" will always result in an Animal Farm situation. Just human nature.

I think communists fell into the trap of thinking that because a dude is right about a lot of things it means he's right about everything. It's kinda like a cult in that way.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

As Marx once said, "If one thing is certain, it is that I am not a Marxist."

That being said, 'Dictatorship of the Proletariat' is very widely misunderstood, in no small part due to Marxist-Leninists using it as cover for their vanguard bullshit.

[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

human nature

Every time I read someone expressing this view, I feel like encouraging to read something from Graeber, for example "Debt". Not for the discussion on debt itself, but mostly for the different ways societies were organized over millennia.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok.

I encourage you to read Animal Farm, it's probably a lot less boring than this Graeber guy.

[–] sudneo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Orwell wrote a critique of modern society, soviet Stalinist society in particular, in animal farm. It's not an anthropology book, it's political satire that came from a socialist (!). I am not sure your induction that it applies to all humans under every circumstance was therefore intended by the author (lord of the flies might be a much better example in this case).

Graeber is actually far for boring, and as an anthropologist his writing tend to be a bit more general.

Either way, of course I've read Animal Farm.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Assuming someone hasn't read already Animal Farm is like assuming they haven't ever read a book.

[–] Braydox_ofAstroya12@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Ideally. In reality marx was a couch potato who lived off his parents wealth. An armchair socialist like most tankies today.