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Zoom orders workers back to the office
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this post was submitted on 08 Aug 2023
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Aren't they risking losing their most talented workers doing that? I assume they can more easily find jobs providing the flexibility they're looking for.
I work in tech, at one of the big tech companies (the Rainforest one).
The dirty little secret of tech is that you don't need the best engineers. You just need people that are "good enough", and that bar varies wildly across all of tech. I've worked with senior engineers from Google that absolutely crumbled outside of building Python web apps, and recent grads in LCOL areas that are better in all areas.
Alongside this, many tier 1 services in big tech are propped up by mid-level engineers. Depending on the company and org, you'd be shocked at how little coding some software engineers actually do, because they're attending WBR's, building review decks, running all scrum ceremonies, even responsible for multimillion dollar team budgets. Again, many of these people aren't particularly talented compared to your standard engineer.
You're absolutely right, but I doubt any big tech company cares. They want to reduce human cost as much as possible, and if that means letting everyone that knows how shit works go, and hiring new grads to keep your systems alive, so be it.
This only works for so long, then the company hires an MSP which does have top notch engineers and they run it like that for a decade before bringing it back in house. The cycle has always been like this. They did it in 08-11 when a ton of companies laid off their devs and shipped the jobs to code farms in India...then half a decade later when the code was like a house of cards, rehired top talent back in house to fix it all. The cycle will continue, it's just the way CEOs who aren't there long term for the company think. Short term profits, aka kick the can down the road to the next guy.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a fucking stupid approach, as do ~90% of IC's at these companies.
Someone at Amazon put it nicely when they've said that there's a rise in "belief-driven" leadership in tech right now. Instead of following the data and asking people what they want, we're seeing tech leaders position themselves as visionaries, and making market-changing decisions on gut feeling. It's absolutely a series a short-term decisions, and all they care about is what they think, and how it'll save their skin for the next 3-6 months.
Oh man thank you for that phrase. "belief driven leadership" is exactly what's happening there right now. Spot on. I'm so close to finding somewhere else to work but my immediate leadership thinks the RTO is bullshit as well. However I know they can't hold off forever.
If I hear “magic” One more fucking time in a town hall meeting…
I have never seen an MSP with top-notch engineers. I worked for a fairly nice one and we were pretty average.
I've worked most of my career with msps and yes there are a lot of the lower level guys which are more for triage than fixing anything and they're average, but the higher levels all have top notch engineers usually. Don't get me wrong, there will always be those who squeezed by and made it higher but most who are higher up the food chain have a lot of experience from tons of different environments.
Thing is, us "good enough" engineers want to wfh too, and we're willing to walk because of it
That's very shortsighted though. One great engineer is worth 10 mediocre engineers, especially when you factor in the time required to manage them. But I've never built a trillion dollar company before, so I'm probably not qualified to say that my ideas are better.
Guess who gets exceptions to the policy?