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[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (13 children)

In general:

W11: fire up office, oops wait, it wants to set itself as default and for some reason needs you to buy a one drive subscription for that. How about some copilot? Are you sure? How about we wrap it in edge? Oh, but you can install Libreoffice by all means, but it’s not going to be the default app right? RIGHT?!!!

Oh you want to save the file to your harddrive? Look, how do I put this,… there is no more harddrive.

Linux: type one line in the terminal and there you go. Write a novel if you want.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 13 points 5 days ago

Ironic that now Linux is the more "just works" os.

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[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 57 points 6 days ago (16 children)

Me after using the KDE: how the fuck Linux is better Windows than Windows?

They were supposed to focus on window managing, ITS IN THEIR FUCKING NAME. Instead you need extra things like Powertoys for basic functions that KDE has integrated.

[–] LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

KDE is the best desktop environment I've ever had the pleasure of using. So much better than Windows at everything I want out of my desktop!

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I still like Cinnamon better. To quote Jeremy Clarkson, "This is brilliant, but I like this."

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[–] gergolippai@lemmy.world 59 points 6 days ago (3 children)

"Tech journalists" installing linux in 2025 like it's this hot new tech is not exactly the early adoptership I'd expect from them :)

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 59 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Every time anyone rejects Microsoft's shitty bloatware/spyware it's a win. I just converted a few months ago. Win11 is going to push more and more people away.

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[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (6 children)

For ~97% of the computer using population it is a hot new tech.

Compared to the state of consumer-grade Linux 5 years ago to today, it's absolutely a hot new tech.

One cannot understate the impact that the Steam Deck and Proton had on driving consumer-friendly features to Linux simply from the demand of an exploding user base.

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[–] Kirk@startrek.website 80 points 6 days ago (14 children)

🤞pleasejustpickbazzite pleasejustpickbazzite pleasejustpickbazzite🤞

I’m going to install CachyOS, an Arch-based distro

oh god dammit

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 91 points 6 days ago (27 children)

I'M FED UP, GOING TO INSTALL LINUX!

  • picks a complicated distro where you really need to read the manual or do some heavy google searches to do gaming *

I'M FED UP, THIS IS TOO HARD, I'M GOING BACK TO WINDOWS!

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 52 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Cachy's not that bad for beginners. I just did a test install on an old Nvidia PC, and it works for gaming OOTB.

We've come a looooong way from Manjaro. I wouldn't wish Manjaro on my worst enemy, to be clear.

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[–] wendigolibre@lemmy.zip 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (14 children)

CachyOS has been flawless on my S/O's desktop. From an easy install to plenty of documentation available, I couldn't have asked for much more. During install, there's an entire step dedicated to checking a box if you want to play games. (To enable non-free drivers).

I don't think it was a poor choice.

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[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Bazzite is much worse for a new user then cachy. Worse documentation and a load of quirks from being immutable.

Frankly they would be better off with mint unless they need very up to date hardware support for like a laptop.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I installed CachyOS for a weekend and it’s now been several months. I love it.

But I would never, ever recommend it to a new user. It still requires someone to be comfortable on the command line and it’s possible to break it if you don’t know what you’re doing.

Bazzite just works. You install it and start logging into your accounts. It’s nearly impossible for a newcomer to break, and perfect for the vast majority of new Linux users.

Recommending Cachy to new users hurts not only those users but the entire Linux ecosystem.

I don’t recommend Mint, either, but only because I am a KDE cultist, I hate Cinnamon, and every time I’ve tried it on anything I’ve had frustrating hardware issues that I have never had on Fedora.

I’m BlameTheAntifa and I have a distro-hopping addiction.

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[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Bazzite is good for people who break their computer constantly because it's harder to break. Cachy is better for people who can be trusted with sudo

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[–] Integrate777@discuss.online 40 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, really do it ok? Not only are you helping yourself, you're helping everyone by shoving it up the clueless execs at microsoft who still have no idea why people dislike their stupid spy AI thingy.

[–] goodboyjojo@lemmy.world 38 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Gaming on Linux has gotten way better than what is was a few years ago.

[–] fatcat@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I was blown away by it. Just install steam and maybe proton-ge and good to go. I recently installed CachyOS and that way I even skipped the driver install chore I usually had to do. Anno 117 just works out of the box. It has gotten so good and easy!

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[–] 1984@lemmy.today 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Best desktop in the world, no joke.

[–] udon@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (11 children)
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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (20 children)

Just be forewarned:

Nvidia requires a bit of work.

SeLinux….it is a giant bag of gotcha.

That all said I’m not regretting my conversion.

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago

“It came out of the box this way. I hate it but I paid good money for the device I own to tell me what to do!”

[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Installed Mint last week. I already ported most of my personal stuff there ; as a user of FOSS software, it was a breeze. Still dual booting Windows because of work, but I'll start trying to see if I can get the required tools to work on there too.

For now, my biggest issue was that connecting my Bluetooth headphones to both Linux and Windows was fucky but, lo and behold, there was a guide online that told me exactly how to make sure both OS had the same device ID.

It's not a painless experience yet, but it's way less painful than what it was running Win95 back then. And it feels so good to finally flip Microsoft the bird.

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The most successful Linux distros are ones that normal people are not aware they use at all. Most people dont install operating systems, they just use whatever comes with the device. To them its an appliance.

Android is a flavor of Linux and is widely successful. Ive seen libraries use Linux and a browser and the machines worked for decades. And there are quite a few Amazon tablets, ebook readers, etc... all using linux.

Theres a never ending number of examples out there.

[–] tauonite@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Are you suggesting we should break into people's homes and discreetly install Linux on their computers? Because I'm in

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[–] shirro@aussie.zone 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Nothing wrong with Arch as a distro base. The meme stuff is all bullshit. It is a peer of Debian and Fedora. These foundational community distros are not a good starting point for a beginner or for a painless consumerist experience but they are solid for experienced users and have the best support and documentation.

If you are approaching Linux from the PoV of someone who wants to learn rather than someone who wants a reliable consumer computing platform the big community distros are still absolutely the right way to go IMO.

People go on about Mint being friendly for users but under the surface it is Ubuntu which itself is pulling from Debian. People laud Bazzite despite it being Fedora based. ChromeOS is shipping Gentoo to school children. If you package Arch well and ship it to people like Valve has its an extremely pleasant consumer platform. CachyOS improves the arch installation and micro-optimises FPS but you can screw it up as easily as any other mutable Linux system so fundamentally it is not much better or worse than Mint or Ubuntu or Fedora for a consumer experience.

SteamOS, Bazzite and ChromeOS all recognise that immutability is the key to a reliable experience for consumers - an experience that surpasses Windows. Updates are the most likely way to break a system and the hardest thing for non expert users to troubleshoot and rectify. Immutable distros with good support for new hardware have to be the S tier choice for Windows refugees. I have never tried Bazzite and likely never will (I use arch btw, with one system being a cachyos hybrid) but on paper it seems like the most sane choice barring a general release of StreamOS. A distro like Mint might be user friendly but it is bringing nothing new to the table when it comes to a reliable experience for consumers.

The real solution for the majority of WIndows refuges is going to be pre-installs with the supplier guaranteeing all the hardware is supported like Steam Machine. That way you get rid of all the cursed Nvidia systems. I think something like PopOS is the wrong way to do it for normies as the old LTT videos demonstrated, it is still a fragile system for naive users underneath the friendly skin.

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