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Google AI is gender biased. (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 11 months ago by rainrain@sh.itjust.works to c/nowhereelsetoshare@sh.itjust.works

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[–] Soliae@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tell me you don’t understand “AI” in LLMs without telling me you don’t understand AI in LLMs.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, yeah. It’s an LLM built on a lot of scraping social media.

[+] rainrain@sh.itjust.works -7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Now that's an interesting idea.

We ask questions. Get answers by scraping social media.. The answers inform social media. Informing further answers to questions. Etc. A spinning wheel.

It's deeply incestuous. In a hundred generations what monsters may spawn?

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Its not "an interesting idea", it's exactly how they work.

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ideas about how things work can be interesting too.

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Its not an "idea about how it works". It is how it works.

Can you not just admit you learned something here? Or do you just have to argue with everything to try and appear right?

What's wrong with, "oh, I didn't know that. How interesting!"

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think it was the part about how the training data gets poisoned that was the interesting idea.

It is also the reality we're living in however.

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Based on their behaviour, I'm not so sure. It seemed to me to be a way of saying "that's maybe not true, but it's fun to think about". At least, that's how I'd use the phrase "that's an interesting idea". If I just found it interesting, I'd say "how interesting!"

But yes, it is indeed fascinating how LLMs work.

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

are you a robot?

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let's rewind to before that desperate (and likely spontaneous) accusation, and I'll give you another chance to reply in a normal manner.

No deflection. Just admit you didn't know LLMs scrape social media. That's all. It's okay; we don't come into this world with all of its knowledge.

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I actually did have a vague idea in that general direction.

But that's rather beside my point. I mean, the AI definitely offered these answers. The answers are definitely gender biased. Offering that it's merely an artifact of the LLM technology is definitely a terrible excuse for that.

And given that LLMs are well known to be tweaked to align better with the philosophical styles of the hour, doubly so.

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So, once again, you double down. No, you obviously didn't know that, and clearly still don't actually understand it, since you're claiming it was engineered to push a narrative (what narrative you won't say, but i bet it rhymes with bliss gandry).

Lastly, it's not an "excuse". It's an explanation. Calling it an "excuse" is just another attempt to deflect the answer and avoid being wrong.

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works -3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well given that the bias is generally considered a bad thing, explanations absolving them of responsibility for the badness are what is generally called an "excuse".

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

It's not absolving them of responsibility. They're responsible for how they train their data - it doesn't need to be trained on social media.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Unlocking because I don't want to stifle legitimate discussion

I don't know what to make of this post.

They inherit the biases of society (unfortunately).

They are also seeded with a bit of randomness for variety in responses. See this (YT Short)

Ask the same exact question and you'll get a variety of answers.

Edit: I'm beginning to think no more good discussion can come from this.

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Man I just don't get this guy.

[–] rainrain@sh.itjust.works -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Don't know what to make of this post?

Sounds more like you have very definite ideas about it. And are offering excuses on google's behalf.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Why would I, a Lemmy user, be defending google? Is that the most likely scenario here? Or is it that I just think all of these models are flawed in a similar way? The linked short was about ChatGPT.

Edit:

Maybe try posting this to !fuck_ai@lemmy.world ?

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That's how people use those words. A woman is described as "pushy" for being assertive. It's a commonly known problem.