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[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

How do I get to and then around Michigan’s Upper Peninsula? I don’t want to go be in cities like at all? What’s the plan for that?

[–] ZDL@mstdn.social 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

@5in1k @grue Who on Earth told you that improving public transit means you MUST use public transit in RURAL areas!? Anybody who told you that was lying or was an idiot (or both).

[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I never said that it shouldn’t be improved. But even with good public transit I would still feel trapped without my own vehicle.

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[–] Rin@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago (18 children)

With a car, you can fix it yourself if you are determined enough. However, if you're using public transport, the same arguments apply + now things are enirely out of your control. There's no way in hell the public transport company will let you tinker with their broken stuff. The insurance company can pull out of them at any time for any reason. The company can go bankrupt, etc.

i feel like independance and not having to rely on someone would work better as an argument for the car.

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[–] moakley@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Isn't anyone else disturbed by the concept of independence being a problem for this person?

I'd like more public transportation in America, but I'm not really interested in anything else they have to say.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No, because your premise is incorrect. This person is completely in support of the concept of independence, but simply rejects the notion that car-dependency provides it. Real independence is achieved by removing the dependency on cars.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

You didn't read the second line?

"Now the whole idea of independence is a messy social construct with a bunch of issues that I won't get into right now."

I don't see how anyone could interpret that as anything other than a blanket statement about independence.

I searched up the artist to find more evidence and saw that I wasn't the only one who thought that, because they posted a follow-up attempting to clarify that specific line. The clarification just reiterates the point of the original comic and doesn't try to explain why that phrasing was used or what it could have meant.

So maybe they just phrased it poorly, but I'm not the only one who took issue with it.

[–] logos@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

How is claiming that independence is a complicated, nuanced concept problematic?

It sounds like you are interpreting it as if they are saying it doesn't exist or something similar which is not at all what they said.

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