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I think a material difference between Iraq (v2 anyway) and Ukraine is that they can keep doing the "well Russia was the aggressor" thing indefinitely even if the reality is more complicated.

also yes obviously some libs are still stubborn about Iraq, the worst ones, but for the most part its generally agreed that the Iraq War was a bad thing.

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[–] Sandinband@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago

The closest they'll come is saying "we didn't know any better" or admitting it didn't go well but not recognizing the US's role and still seeing us as just "trying to do what's right"

[–] torknorggren@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago (5 children)

There was significant opposition to the Iraq War among mainstream US Democrats from the beginning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Iraq_Resolution_of_2002?wprov=sfla1 Also very large protests at the time in the US and EU.

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[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah, best case they just forget about it (unless Ukraine goes full nazi and invades Moldova or something). Think the US support of the mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviets, or the northern alliance in Afghanistan against the taliban.

[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Ukraine invading another country would be Russia's fault too.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If the conflict stays like it is, just a constant battlefield with meters traded back and forth every week, then they probably won't. It'll just ... slowly fade away from their minds.

Now, something big is going to have to happen like a bomber full of ordinance gets knocked out of the sky over a densely populated civilian area or a nuke plant melting down... something that kills a TON of people in a very short period of time... then they might "burn their uniforms" a year or two later.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't know that there's a collective left to realize things like in the days of the Iraq hangover. Sure there’s like your CNN watchers, but thats a shrinking group and more people now get their shit algorithmically on some level. (Consensus) reality isn't what it used to be, like my favorite cult blue curtains classic In the Mouth of Madness.

[–] SupFBI@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

Nope. They'll just pretend they were anti-war from the start.

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

yes, but news are just commodities and they'll just stop paying attention to it in 2 years unless you bring it to them after 2-3 glasses of wine.

You can see how news has been commodified when journalists don't have any accountabilities (like a 9-5 jobs with questionable practice where you can pressed on the person and they'll respond: "well it's capitalism, i have to eat, i'm just following order, i try to stay away from the politics of it) for reporting disinformations during the Iraq wars, Chinese Ballons or any others subjects; not even an official editorial apologies (they really don't have to because people don't care)

I remembered in a national radio broadcast, they invited a chinese expert who said that Chinese people like to create a political scandal (chinese ballon) to pressure the opponent before a diplomatic visit (blinken's visit). I doubt that the radio station will not invite him back for the next chinese "political scandal"

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