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[–] Triumph@fedia.io 115 points 2 days ago (48 children)

The Republicans have demonstrated that no, these things do not take time.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 days ago (21 children)

Breaking things is a lot faster than fixing them...

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (20 children)

Particularly when you're not interested in fixing them.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Have you ever broken an arm? A window? A car? A heart?

Fixing things takes time.

That doesn't excuse not starting when given a chance. The focus should be on establishment Dems' failures to start fixing things, not on setting some unrealistic expectation that all it would take is a snap of the fingers and bippity boppity boo.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In the words of James Baldwin, how much time do you want for your progress?

Democrats tell you that fixing things takes time so that you eventually give up waiting. Incrementalism is a tool of fascism to prevent progress.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

How much time? Ideally none. But the real world isn't idealistic, and breaking more shit because you can't have what you want right now is what petulant children do.

I'm not defending the establishment Dems' inaction, but I am cautioning against setting unrealistic expectations. Even if you vote out all the republicans and replace all the democrats with progressives, it will still take time to fix things.

And people's ignorance about this fact is a key part of the republican strategy that keeps getting them reelected every other election cycle. They always break shit on their way out, leaving a mess for their successors to clean up, and they blame it all on the democrats in office after them.

So promoting this idea that you can fix everything overnight is only helping the republicans.

Incrementalism is a tool of fascism to prevent progress.

No, incrementalism is a necessary reality. The reason it doesn't work is partly because the right people aren't in office to implement it, and partly because when the right people are in office they don't have enough time in office to implement it fully.

Get someone with the right intentions in office (a progressive), and give them enough time (at least two terms), with a congress that supports their agenda, and you'll see incrementalism work as it's intended.

Or you can complain that you can't have everything you want immediately, and attack anyone who doesn't give you everything you want right now, and when they never get into office for long enough with enough congressional support because nobody can pass your purity test, you'll have plenty to complain about when literally nothing good gets done because you categorically rejected the idea of incrementalism.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 0 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

California has a bulletproof Democrat supermajority and does not have livable wages, universal healthcare, affordable housing, affordable COL. So the argument that Democrats need more time Is verifiably false

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Did I ever claim establishment Dems are willing to put in the necessary changes to move progress forward? Because California Dems are about as establishment/corporatist as you can freaking get.

I never said "give establishment Dems another chance." I said "fixing things takes time," and that will still apply even if you oust all the establishment Dems and replace them with progressives.

Please take your strawman argument somewhere else if you're not going to actually read what I wrote and respond to that.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

So you believe that electing more progressive candidates within the party that operating exactly as designed is gonna change things? Any new politician that is deemed a threat to the status quo will never be placed into positions of power or influence that can threaten the existence of the status quo.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That doesn’t excuse not starting when given a chance. The focus should be on establishment Dems’ failures to start fixing things

And until they start fixing things, "fixing things takes time" holds within it the implicit lie that they're trying.

not on setting some unrealistic expectation that all it would take is a snap of the fingers and bippity boppity boo.

You're right. That's only for netanyahu's every whim.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Netanyahu's whim isn't about fixing things, more like breaking everything in Gaza, Iran, and southern Lebanon.

If you really think Gaza can be rebuilt as fast as it's been destroyed, you're going to have some unpleasant surprises whenever the world can pull itself out of this death spiral and start caring about humanity again...

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You're telling me that democrats break things and have no interest in fixing them.

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