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It's the same thing with pretty much everything I think. I'm a car guy and the hobby is dead. Now you can put a fancy paint job or wheels on a car but that's it. Few people want to dig into the complexity of modern automotive systems.
My wife sews. It used to be cheaper to make your own clothing. More recently, pricing for fabrics and other materials went so high it became an expensive hobby. And now that Joann's has gone out of business she literally can't get fabric "reasonably" anymore.
Humans ruin everything.
Capitalism ruins everything, not humans.
Capitalism is all about maximizing profits no matter what. Human lives, a healthy society, personal freedom, none of that matters in the endless persuit of profits. Capitalism is the root cause of suffering in the world right now, after that, religion.
Mostly again as a way to make people worship capitalists.
Well I'm pretty sure you're wrong. First, humans invented capitalism. Second, I'm pretty sure when the white man came to America and committed genocide on the Indians and took their land it wasn't strictly capitalism. Third before someone is stuck in an iron maiden or an oven or is water boarded, someone has to think of that idea. If someone rapes your wife, is that capitalism? Unfortunately I can go on and on. Humans are terrible to each other, capitalism is just a mechanism.
I'm curious what the word "capitalism" means to you.
Leaving Marx aside completely for a moment, I see it as "the use of capital" at the most grossly simplified tip of the iceberg. Which broadly means that capitalism refers to people with a lot of money already, using that money as a means of getting more money, without doing any sort of productive work themselves.
And that is exactly the problem at hand, and what MBech meant by the word.
I think you use it to broadly mean "our Western, non-communist system," which is quite a lot to cram into a word.
That's just ignoring every single good thing humans do. Humans aren't inherently evil (Like, a lot of philosophers would both agree and disagree with that I guess), and thus aren't inherently what is wrong. I can agree that human greed is what ruins everything, but then again, capitalism is just the greatest tool of said greed. But because of the absolutely awesome people out there not ruled by greed, and there are way more than you'll ever know, I'm going to stick with it not being a human trait to ruin everything.
What I will argue though, is that capitalism has a tendency to ruin even the best people. Not because they're greedy scumbags, but because the capitalist system requires good people to become bad people in order to succeed and get the power to do the good they wish to do. In other words, capitalism can corrupt even the best people with the best intentions, because the capitalist system is designed to only reward the worst traits in humans.
So I'm going to continue sticking with my first message "Capitalism ruins everything", by being specifically designed to destroy every good part of people.
I'm not ignoring it. Without the good people do I'd probably just check out. But I think it's weird to say that people aren't bad, just the system they created is.
The system some of them created. It's important to remember that 99% of people have never had any say in how capitalism has been shaped or used. I'm not convinced that capitalism would be the choice of a well informed population that hasn't grown up in it. Like if we say tomorrow morning, everyone has completely forgotten every single part of any economic system ever used, and now the world has to figure out a way to handle the trading of goods and services, I am not convinced capitalism is the go to for people. It is however obvious that some people would prefer it, simply because they see the opporunity the capitalist system has for abuse of the wider population, but that doesn't mean it'd be the chosen system.
What would that system be?
No clue, likely not something we've ever seen, but my point is, capitalism hasn't been chosen by the majority, but has been shaped by the minority into a tool to be abused against the majority. The fact that humans made it, doesn't say something about all of humanity, just the people who have shaped, and I guess in turn has been shaped by, capitalism.
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I agree capitalism sucks but I think your arguments are a little off.
I mean you say capitalism probably would not be most people's first choice but then can't name what would be or even another system really.
Because if we assume everyone forgets everything about economical systems, what are the chances whatever they come up with looks anything like what we've seen so far? I'm not convinced that capitalism, socialism, some fucking bartering system, would be what people come up with, it might just as well be something we have never thought of, because those people wouldn't be moulded to think about economic systems the way we are.
Yeah you're right.