see if your instance is one of them here: https://fedipact.veganism.social/
who the dick would want to see Threads posts
There are lots of people on there I would like to follow, but they wont be joining the fediverse and I don't want to make a Threads account myself either.
Lots of illustrators and writers have Threads and Instagram because it's where the money is. They rely on that kind of exposure to sell and show their work. Following from Mastodon without a Threads account would be awesome.
Not to mention that many Mastodon users are ridiculously "purists" saying that no ad or sell should be on the network, ever, and are actively hostile to the small guys trying to make a living here. I agreed that big corps can fuck off because they overdo ads, but the small guy selling his weird contraptions or custom phone cases should see Mastodon as an alternative. But the truth is that they won't.
I assume that people with those attitudes "miss what Twitter used to be."
Miss me with that shit, Twitter was always a shithole and Jack Dorsey was always a Nazi-protecting piece of shit.
Zuck and Meta ain't no better.
Wow, both instances I’m on (Lemmy and Mastodon) blocking Threads. I’m proud of my admins!
People keep parroting that Threads will kill us all but won't explain how it could happen to the fediverse. As in, actual steps. Because Flipboard federated and I'm not flooded with news posts. Mastodon is used for Nazi instances and I'm not flooded by Nazi content, even if the maintainer don't block that particular instace due to not knowing it exists.
No, XMP is not a valid example. It requires specific people to be on that specific platform for you to connect with them, like iMessage and WhatsApp. The fediverse is nothing like that.
Can someone explain exactly how EEE will happen? Technically? Other than FUD?
EDIT: thank you all for the replies, there's definitely some good points that are worth considering that I couldn't find elsewhere.
Here's an example I can see happening.
Threads will want to implement post reactions to maintain parity with Facebook. Threads expands the ActivityPub spec to include reactions.
Now, every other instance will not be compatible with reactions. Users complain they cannot see reactions.
Admins have two choices now:
Refuse to implement reactions because they are not part of the spec. Users leave and join threads.
ActivityPub adds reactions to the standard, all instances must now support reactions. Meta has now started dictating the spec.
I feel the XMP fears do have some sentiment, and it's really a matter of how the broad username interprets these issues (including the Thread users which would be family and friends).
I don't think so. There are tons of ActivityPub implementations out there already that don't even support all parts of the official spec (Lemmy can't display attached images, for example). There are also implementations that have tacked on additional functionality beyond the official spec (again, Lemmy's downvotes).
It's a very flexible protocol that allows developers to pick and choose what features they want to implement in their services.
There are tons of ActivityPub implementations out there already
but none are widely used by such a massive amount of people as threads, and especially people who don't understand/care about spec compliance or even how federation works
honestly, i think in the best scenario, threads will create their own activitypub "fork", and most instances won't want to follow it, forcing the people who were on non-threads instances to chose between going to threads to keep in touch with their threads mutuals, or staying on non-threads instances and no longer having a reliable way of keeping in touch with those people.
worst case would be instances following what meta does and making them the spec dictators pretty much, the spec would become closed source and all other fedi implementations would lag behind in features compared to threads, and they can at any point change the spec and break other instances.
i think the point of defederating with threads isn't just the defederation, but is about sending a message that we don't want to play their game, we want to keep doing our things our ways. if they want to interract with the fediverse, they'll have to play by our rules, we don't want to follow theirs
i just want to point out that, in the same way XMP is not a valid example of EEE, neither is Flipboard a good example of a massive megacorp federating. Flipboard’s algorithms have never incited violence in Myanmar and that makes 100% of the difference.
my concern is not EEE, and I agree that i don’t get why that’s the focus.
my concern is that we are dealing with Meta—an absolutely massive, soulless corporation which has shown dozen upon hundreds of times that it will prioritize the growth of its shareholders’ paycheck well before the afterthought of caring if its algorithms end up wreaking addiction and violence.
call that FUD if you want, i call it learning from well-documented experience.
Again, you're not actually making an argument about meta doing anything to make the fediverse worse than it is, you're not even arguing that metas actions in those other situations are directly applicable and will happen here, you're just saying "look at these bad things that Meta did before, sure other bad things must happen".
That is the literal textbook definition of a FUD argument.
Let's flip this around: Show me a thing that Meta has touched that hasn't turned to shit. Why risk the same fate when we don't have to? What is meta bringing to the table that would warrant foolhardiness on our part?
See the opposite of FUD is naivete, hubris, make-believe, not something one wants to be engaged in either.
“the leopard bit my hand the last 14 times i pet it, but it’s FUD to learn from the past so here goes number 15 :)”
There's no good product that Meta has ever touched that's been made better after their involvement. Why go for bat for a company that has consistently shown it's goal is to make things worse for the end user?
How could a company that sells data misuse or sell our data? It is the people who are wrong because I am not capable of critical thought
Thank god my admin blocked them outright
Same with mine! I don't think it was ever considered an option not to, and I madly respect that
Same with lemmy.ca
i honestly don't get the hate. i love the fact that i wont need two apps anymore to see the more mainstream people i used to follow on twitter. tje worst part about twitter going under is the fragmentation.
I understand you, but I specifically went to lemmy to not have any of that bullshit from Musk or Zuck or Spez. Facebook is a toxic dumpster fire(on purpose because money) Twitter is a toxic dumpster fire (because Musk is an asshole). Reddit is basically the same but the ceo is still an asshole. And I am sure that after a few years threads will follow this trend soon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
It's happened so many times, and every time people thought "this time it's different".
People keep parroting this but won't explain how it could happen to the fediverse. As in, actual steps. Because Flipboard federated and I'm not flooded with news posts. Mastodon is used for Nazi instances and I'm not flooded by Nazi content, even if the maintainer don't block that particular instace due to not knowing it exists.
Care to explain exactly how EEE will happen?
EDIT: thank you for those who took the time to write a clear and technical responses, there are really good point worth considering that a didn't read anywhere else.
From what I've heard it might be something like this:
From a more technical standpoint, I believe the idea is more like:
Embrace: Adhere to the fediverse standards to make Threads compatible and be a part of the overall userbase.
Extend: Add more functionality to the standard so that thread users get functionality that other fediverse users do not. This is where they would make it difficult for open-source devs to try and implement the same features in their software.
Extinguish: Finally, when enough of the userbase has been siphoned to their proprietary platform, cease compatibility with the fediverse and leave the old standard to die.
So basically the same thing you said. We can sort of see this with Google trying to make websites only be compatible with Chrome.
That is an awesome image. He's into it.
I probably wouldn't use an instance if it wasn't federated to Threads
Saying federation is the same as bootlicking is fucking bullshit. I want my insurance to defederate, but this is ridiculous exaggeration
I want my insurance to defederate
Yeah, State Farm needs to get their shit together
I don't think there's a good reason to avoid threads so long as it contains good and interesting users, and isn't making huge demands from your users.
the “huge demand from your users” will immediately be having to deal with meta’s attrocious history with moderation and user safety being repeated.
honestly my threads feed is pretty good and i havent noticed too many issues with the things that plagued twitter. the trans community is pretty big on threads too which is nice.
It doesn't though? Facebook's employers and users are 100% garbage people.
If you think everyone who uses facebok is garbage then the problem is you, you're a misanthrope.
I should probably migrate my mastodon.social account, even though I barely use Mastodon. Any recommendations for cool servers with cool people?
I don't need any sort of isolationism pushed on me. I wouldn't sign up for an email provider that blocks GMail because "we're not corpo bootlickers", or a phone provider that only lets me call the coolest fellow comrades. If an instance wants to be its own little island with its own ideology, I'm cool with that, but it's not for me - I'm looking for an instance that behaves more like an un-opinionated public utility.
As I still see that lemmy.world didn't block Zuck, it seems that it's time to change instance
Threads and Lemmy will barely interact unless someone on threads deliberately tries to interact with Lemmy, calm down 🤣
Ok obviously no zuck, but that image do be kinda hot like yes make me lick your boots zaddy 🥵
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