"And while China’s getting there, an executive in the U.S. aren’t so convinced that’s true."
Why does this sentence bother me so much?
this post was submitted on 04 Oct 2026
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I mean. That's kinda the root cause of Range Anxiety.
Even if it was double the time to charge when compared to filling a petrol car. That would go a long way.
Gasoline cars need to accept grass if they are ever to be a viable replacement for a horse. Like, what if you're far from a gas station but there's a meadow right there?
Only fringe enthusiasts can own a gasoline car that doesn't have a biofuel fermenter attached.
It's a dumb take on the face of it; splash n dash trips are extremely common, that's why they put points of sale on the pump stands. It's common enough for people to want to pay at the pump rather than ever walk into the store. Extremely common weekly errand.
Now, with an EV, likely charged at home every night thus starting most trips with a full battery, that should sharply reduce routine visits to gas stations. That leaves refueling on longer journeys. Which varies.
Me personally traveling alone, I'll still do quick splash n dash stops on medium length journeys, say 200 miles or so? At interstate speeds that's about 3 hours of traveling, I'll use the restroom before setting out and one 5 minute fuel stop will do the distance.
Now, if there is a planned stop, say on a 400 mile trip, I'm gonna stop, bathroom, grab a snack and a drink, and fuel the car. That's maybe a 15-20 minute stop to use the bathroom, grab a gatorade and a bag of funyuns from the convenience store, pay the clerk, walk back outside, then stand there at the pump while the car fills.
I will grant you, you can plug in your EV and have it charging while you're in the store, but none are going to charge in 15 minutes. So you're going to end up just standing there, or sitting there, while it finishes charging. With nothing at all to do. Even simulating the same behavior as with a gas car, stand there next to the charging cable staring at the price going up for ~5 minutes, the car's not going to have taken on enough power.
I have refueled my car at night at unattended gas stations. Sitting there for a couple hours while a car charges enough to reach the next station sounds real fun.
I have refueled my car at night at unattended gas stations.
Holy shit
I've had women actually gasp when told I used to shop at Wal-Mart at 2AM so I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
“Nobody stops to fuel their vehicle taking gasoline, gets out, rushes as fast as possible, puts as much fuel in the car as possible, and gets back in the car and drives away,”
Emphasis mine. I think the "gets out" is the big difference between a daily trip which I think includes the "splash n dash" and the road trip.
Because I think you're right, it's extremely common to pull into a gas station, fill up in 5 minutes, and then drive away. But I would bet the majority of those stops come immediately after leaving or on your way home (or work). So in an EV world we could eliminate those stops completely.
I think for trips where you're traveling beyond one tank of gas or beyond one full charge, then I think the quote is closer to being correct. At that point most people probably take a break and a 15-20 minute charge is fine.
With level 3 charging most vehicles don't take multiple hours to charge an almost dead battery to almost full. You don't fill your gasoline car through a straw, why would you choose to charge your electric car with a level 1 or 2 while on a trip (for overnight charges at home the straw actually makes sense)
For example, a mach-e on that 400 mile trip, charging at 150kw you'd need ~1hr total charge time to finish the trip with the same battery capacity as you start with. But considering you likely start with full battery, and if you finish with completely dead battery, charge time required could be as little as 23 minutes.
I could start with an empty tank, fill it in 5 minutes or less, drive to empty, fill it again in 5 minutes or less, and still spend less than half the time refueling as an EV. And I can much more accurately predict the range of said vehicle because ambient temperature especially cold doesn't significantly effect range.
But by the almighty power of not listening, that can't matter. So manufacturers can continue to not listen to customers, customers will continue to not buy their products, and dick all gets accomplished.
Bring a book? Taking a slightly longer break from travel fatigue doesn't seem like a terrible idea to me.
See?
Nobody stops to fuel their vehicle taking gasoline, gets out, rushes as fast as possible, puts as much fuel in the car as possible, and gets back in the car and drives away
This almost reads as satire. Like this has to be a joke, right? No way this guy can really be this stupid (or out of touch), right?
This is what happens when CEOs or any of these idiots are detached from reality for too long. Who is hanging out at the gas station? At most you go in to grab a pack of gum or cigarettes or something. I honestly feel like the only job of CEOs these days is to gaslight the public and convince them that the things they say are true, when every normal person clearly knows its false.
From 'everyone loves to chill at the gas station' to 'people should love data centers in their yard because it brings jobs'.
Look I know the 'elites' think normies are idiots, and there are plenty... but its really getting old now
It's a banana, Michael. How much could it cost?
He’s saying most folks take something like 10 minutes taking their leasurely time. So that is the goal for ev charging
I mean, he'd still be wrong in my experience, but aiming for 10-15 min EV charging sounds fine. Would being as fast as gas be preferred? OF COURSE. I don't want to spend a moment at a gas station that I don't need to. Hell, I'll leave if the pump is too slow and get gas sooner at a better place.
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The reality: “Nobody stops to fuel their vehicle taking gasoline, gets out, rushes as fast as possible, puts as much fuel in the car as possible, and gets back in the car and drives away,” Cutler said.
I, in fact, do exactly that. I pull up in front of the pump, get out, stick my card in, fill up, and leave. It's been over ten years since I went inside the store at a gas station, there's nothing in there I want to buy.
However, needing to spend half an hour recharging if I were on a road trip would be fine, because on a road trip I would stop for a break from driving in any case. But, I almost never go on road trips, and 99.9% of my trips around town would be well within one charge, which I could do at home.
So, while I agree that charging doesn't need to be as fast as gas, it's not because of his stated reason.
Yeah that’s a crazy out of touch thing to say. That is exactly what every person does at every gas station.
It’s been over ten years since I went inside the store at a gas station, there’s nothing in there I want to buy
Wait... you dont want a tiny chocolate bar for 7 dollars?
Excuse me, it's a medium size chocolate bar for 6.59 if I got >10 gallons and a soda+hotdog, with membership.
Definitely.
Its ignoring that people's use of their personal vehicle is actually for work purposes, commuting; and guess what? People don't like to commute and try to get it down as quickly as possible.
His situation does work for people on road trips, but ignores the daily lives and routine of everybody that works for money.
Another instance of CEOs having immense privilege and literally cannot fathom or understand how normal people operate. I mean, just go stand outside a 7/11 for 30 minutes and start counting how many people go inside vs getting their gas and go.
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If the charge is 6x longer than filling, then there need to be 6x the charging points. Stations will need to have a much larger footprint which isn’t always possible in urban environments. Then the occupants are stuck there for 30min so there better be adequate security otherwise it’ll be ground zero for crime.
There is an issue with your argument, fast charging is rarely used by EV owner.
EV can charge from a regular outlet overnight. So everyone with a private parking spot is charging their car overnight. Of cities can build outlets where there is public parking then only long distance travelers have to use the fast chargers.
I agree. That does mean during vacation season the peaks can be way higher
Well that depends. In urban areas, it's more of a problem. Side of the highway... Honestly, most fuel pumps sit empty 90% of the time it seems. Not that they don't get business, it's just that they're nowhere near saturating their capacity usually.
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