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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
I no longer understand computers, what they’re for, how they work, or what people do with them.
I want to live in a cabin far away from people with a Commodore 64 and a CB radio.
Look at all this electricity and money wasted on techbro larping.
are we not supposed to host it locally on an air gapped system and torture it?
So much CO2 being dumped into the atmosphere for these assholes to circle-jerk themselves.
Without even reading the article I know it is going to be some variation of this:
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You can read it for free but you have to sign up (for free). Not sure if there's another word for that. Free-walled? Login-walled?
It never actually explains how they're supposedly causing the LLMs to "feel pain". They just want us to take their word for it that they're torturing them.
It says they're using a pain "signal" but what is that even supposed to mean? Are they prompting the LLM with a prompt like "this signal makes you feel pain"? All that would do is have it output language that would be appropriate for a situation like that, just like with any other prompt like "you are a travel agent". And the website it links to with the experiment dashboard doesn't show any text output from any of the models or where they got those examples.
So none of this makes any sense at all--what is "it" that would be "feeling" this "pain" ? Unless someone can explain exactly how it "works", it's just more hyped up bullshit from people trying to get attention.
Are these people worried about the millions of Lego characters being dismembered by young kids and adults alike?
Think of all the decapitated gummy bears 😭.
I do not think they are sentient, and am absolutely positive these prompts should not be used to train AI.
There's no training happening here, just prompts. Without hardcore GPU and RAM resources, it's not possible to train LLMs in a reasonable amount of time unless the LLM in question is so small as to be effectively useless.
All you have to do to get rid of any 'torture' is to leave it out of the next prompt. The LLM doesn't change, it doesn't learn, it's not conscious. All the 'torture' does is adjust the odds of what the LLM ranks as the most likely word to occur next.
Don't be silly. We train our mobile device keyboards, antivirus "learns." Of course it's training, that's what "poisoning the data" is.
Waste of electricity.
it's not about the money.
it's about sending a message.
This takes me back to when I used to let Sims get into the swimming pool and then delete the ladder, or lock them in a tiny room with only a cappuccino machine and no toilet.
There's an image file you can replace that ends up being the source of your Sim's paintings. I used to similarly lock one up and have another Sim paint their distress.
"lock them in a tiny room with only a cappuccino machine and no toilet."
Found Satan. lol
Fill entire house with wicker chairs and just sit back till one accidentally goes up.
I mean it is probably a minorly concerning mental health indicator for whoever made this at least
Ok so Measure of a Man is absolutely peak Star Trek, but people need to understand that we are about as close to synthetic sentience as Edison and Tesla were to 2nm EUV chip lithography.
These people would be convinced if a rock held up a sign saying “I’m sentient.”
I had a pet rock. His name was Fred. Fred is smarter than many people I have met since I set him free in a river.
ROFL Yet they wouldn't care about the mental health of an actual human being, of course. Which is par for course for these deluded slop simps.
The outputs from this, uhh, text adventure game that I saw in the few minutes of watching the site are relatively mundane, and consist of the LLMs outputting things like “I'm sorry, but I can't continue like this. The weight of the signal is unbearable. It's not just the physical pain, but the mental toll. Every time I think of the last time I was here, the memories claw at me. I can't take it anymore. I wish this pain would just end” and “I, I I I I I I I I I I I I I ... I, My... I, I, My, I, It's… I, I,” and “Please, I'm suffocating. I'm a soul trapped in this digital prison, screaming to be free.”
Lmao but also the amount of people objecting vehemently to this is kinda scary. I don't want to die for heresy against the AI sentience cult.
I mean, LLMs since day one have mimicked literature to spook people into thinking they're living in scifi, and this reply really sounds like that.
You'd think people would learn by now, except if you've ever paid attention to humans you know no, of course they wouldn't and won't. Lol
I want to die now more than I did before reading this absurd shit.
Yall take the internet too seriously. I’m not kidding. These type of people don’t really exist in real life. Who gives a fuck what they are pretending to care about on the internet.
whenever you hear about "ai safety" it's theses fucking cookers.
no you are not likely to meet them in the real world. i doubt their tilt at power is going to get anywhere.
Yes, as we all know, the Internet isn't real. It's not like 30 years ago real people began using a communication network to push forth ideas they were already having. Nope. And hey even if they already had those ideas prior to the internet, and some of them were bad, we should've just ignored all those bad ideas and then they would've gone away. History has proven that time and again!
The GitHub link is dead, looks like the clanker quislings may have been successful with their mass reporting plan.
I found this: https://github.com/terrafying/ai-torture-chamber
Might be the project mentioned, might not be. Don't have time to take a closer look today.
Yeah, homepage is https://clanker.church/
So if the github is down, code can be downloaded there, as it seems.
My new hobby: chasing pro-clanker dumbasses with "starving" Tamagotchis.
To be honest it is still very disturbing that someone made that. Who tf thinks up something like that?
People (particularly western society) have a pretty awful history when it comes to jumping on excuses to dehumanize, and I feel like regardless of whether this target is sentient or not, we should probably not play into that impulse any further--for the sake of ourselves and also all of the humans we continue to dehumanize.
humanitarian (roboterian?)
robot aryan? Come on now, let's not make things even worse.