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[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

My bike is cheaper than a single monthly car payment and it's powered by cheesecake.

[–] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 66 points 5 days ago (9 children)

By "nine times cheaper," they mean the fuel for the EV can cost as little as 1/9th as much as the fuel for a gasoline / petrol car.

That's great, as far as it goes, but depreciation per mile is usually a bigger cost than fuel. Other costs like registration taxes, insurance, and maintenance shouldn't be expected to follow this 1/9th pattern either, of course. You're not going to switch to an EV and find your total expense drops to 1/9th.

It feels to me like they're telling an incomplete story on purpose.

[–] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 60 points 5 days ago (17 children)

A large portion of depreciation and insurance is fixed, not based on actually driving. And maintenance is lower with EVs as well.

Still though, you are right, 1/9 is specific to fuel, and it's deceiving. If it.were truly 1/9 we wouldn't be having this conversation because all vehicles would be EVs.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If it.were truly 1/9 we wouldn’t be having this conversation because all vehicles would be EVs.

"Battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) accounted for 97.8% of all new passenger car registrations in Norway through the first eight months of 2026, according to the Norwegian Road Federation (OFV)." source

"New energy vehicles (NEVs)—including pure electric and plug-in hybrid cars—accounted for a record 65.2% of new car sales in mainland China" source

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

depreciation per mile is usually a bigger cost than fuel.

OK, this might be something that a fleet manager would care about, but the average driver wouldn't consider in a hundred years. You don't have to swipe your card and pay for depreciation every four days. Not to mention that depreciation has no bearing on vehicle type and little connection to physical reality at all.

And if anything, EVs maintenance is lower than expectations. There is no robust recycling of EV batteries for instance because it turns out that the batteries last reliably for 30 years and most of the ones produced are still in service. Also EVs are by nature simpler, with many components being solid state. ICE are rube goldberg masterpieces, the result of decades of continuous development.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Depreciation is irrelevant and only brought up by combustion promoters. A car is a tool, not an investment in itself. The only relevant metric is overall yearly cost until the car dies.

Changing cars every few years, which is where depreciation matters, is an expensive luxury no one actually has to play.

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[–] magnue@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (7 children)

What's there to maintain? Even the brakes barely get used.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (7 children)

It says "cheaper to drive" not "cheaper to own."

Regardless, taxes and insurance are roughly the same. Maintenance on an EV is FAR less than an ICE car (no oil changes, fewer brake changes, fewer moving parts to replace over time). So if "fuel" is 1/9, and maintenance is just replacing the tires and putting in new wiper fluid, then driving is going to be much cheaper.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)

"to drive"

It's literally correct.

It's not 1/9th to own or registre. But it certinly is cheaper in reperations and service.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Sounds like big oil propaganda you're spouting. These are the kinds of talking points I hear from right-wing media.

The truth is EV technology has advanced quite a bit in recent years, and the batteries don't deprecate as quickly as the anti-solar crowd still claims.

And as someone else already pointed out, EV maintenance is cheaper because there are less parts.

And road tax for EVs is bullshit, but the reason for it is that combustion vehicles already pay it because it's factored into the price of gas. Or maybe that's not the same in the UK?

Also, the headline doesn't claim that the total expense drops to ⅑^th^, it says the cost to drive it does. That's a very different claim from the one you're pretending they tried to make.

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[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Jokes on you, i charge myne primarily with home solar, so its free.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I often get paid for charging mine. They paid me 30p on Sunday.

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[–] arc99@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I own an EV (in Ireland). I would not say by any stretch I save that much as running a petrol car. It's probably in the order of a third perhaps and that's with a nighttime electricity plan where a kWh might cost 20c which works out about €4 at 15kWh/100km. A petrol car doing 6L/100km would cost about €12 at the moment. If somebody was using public fast chargers they would see very little savings.

There are other expenses like motor taxes, wear & tear (tyres, brakes), servicing, oil changes etc. which might affect the cost. The UK also has a really dumb excise on EVs where they get whalloped with 3p per mile of extra tax. So 100km (62.5miles) is £1.87 of tax to add onto the charge bill. Luckily Ireland doesn't get it but most other expenses are comparable.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

why is it dumb to tax EVs for mileage? aren't ICs taxed similarly through fuel tax?

roads gotta be paid for somehow, and it's fair to tax actual usage

[–] arc99@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It wouldn't be dumb if ICE vehicles were also taxed the same way but they're not. There would be nothing to stop the UK government abolishing fuel tax and slapping 6p a mile or whatever on ICE vehicles

[–] 8oow3291d@feddit.dk 4 points 4 days ago

It wouldn’t be dumb if ICE vehicles were also taxed the same way but they’re not.

Petroleum is taxed per liter. A car goes X km per liter. So the current petroleum tax is effectively per km, or close enough.

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[–] terrific@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's ironic that Trump's oil war is driving decarbonisation by pushing up oil prices. But I guess him and his friends are making lots of money on US oil.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 days ago

Trump's stock trades included a LOT of oil company stock the past few months. He's been raking in billions from this.

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

And there are so many people "triggered" by it

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I had a coworker go on an insane rant about his hatred of EVs after somebody mentioned Teslas. I wound him up even more by saying I'm fine with EVs just not ones built by Nazis.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

lol nice, snowflakes triggered

[–] nodiratime@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago
[–] percent@infosec.pub 3 points 4 days ago

🤔 I've never even thought about researching the people who built any vehicle I've ever purchased. Where do you start?

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Progress of EV's will be complete eventually but those oil company barons and tycoons sure made it stretch out and cost a lot more.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

I'm waiting for battery technology to improve in terms of power density and for infrastructure to improve in terms of power delivery.

My situation is admittedly unique, I want a low slung comfortable hatchback, I street park, and I need a car that can do 6 hours of road in a single day with no prior planning.

Since I don't have a house, I can't charge at home for peanuts. I instead have to go fight for one of the two 7.5kW stations in my neighborhood and move my car as soon as it's done charging or get a ticket.

There's also only one 350kW station on my way to and from work, and last time I tried it with an IONIQ 5, it took 35 minutes to charge and it was in the middle of buttfuck nowhere at a closed Ford dealership. Work has chargers, but you have to share the output with everyone else so I only gained like 3%.

To top it all off, battery technology seems to be preventing good long range EV hatchbacks from taking off. I tried the IONIQ 6, and it felt like I was sitting on the floor, but elevated. Bizarre.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I expect they will keep trying to hold back EVs and compete forever, so never let your guard down. There will always be someone, somewhere, wanting to pump oil and feed it to a combustion engine for money. They'll say it's their culture, for Jesus, for their family, to feed baby koalas, to revive a poor dead rat, or whatever it takes to burn some form of petroleum, change climate, and try to buy a yacht or an island.

[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They can burn their wallet if they like, I'll enjoy cheaper alternatives.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

It goes all the way to people like Putin and MBS, who don't use wallets.

[–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Meanwhile here in California we have inflated electricity prices so much that fueling costs are almost equal. EVs edge out gas cars a little, but not by that much.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 16 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Damn if that's the case, solar installations there should pay itself a lot faster huh?

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[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

There's going to be some fuzzy math hidden behind that article, I'd only expect a 9x difference when comparing lemons with melons, new small electric cars vs older non-hybrid SUVs for example. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they also ignored less favourable conditions like highway driving or colder temperatures. How they came by their numbers is mostly opaque, but I suspect that this source is pretty biased.

I do believe that if you need a new car and if you can charge at home, that EVs should now be a no brainer for most people. I just don't believe this article.

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