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[–] WesternInfidels@feddit.online 66 points 1 month ago (11 children)

By "nine times cheaper," they mean the fuel for the EV can cost as little as 1/9th as much as the fuel for a gasoline / petrol car.

That's great, as far as it goes, but depreciation per mile is usually a bigger cost than fuel. Other costs like registration taxes, insurance, and maintenance shouldn't be expected to follow this 1/9th pattern either, of course. You're not going to switch to an EV and find your total expense drops to 1/9th.

It feels to me like they're telling an incomplete story on purpose.

[–] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago (17 children)

A large portion of depreciation and insurance is fixed, not based on actually driving. And maintenance is lower with EVs as well.

Still though, you are right, 1/9 is specific to fuel, and it's deceiving. If it.were truly 1/9 we wouldn't be having this conversation because all vehicles would be EVs.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If it.were truly 1/9 we wouldn’t be having this conversation because all vehicles would be EVs.

"Battery-electric vehicles (BEVs) accounted for 97.8% of all new passenger car registrations in Norway through the first eight months of 2026, according to the Norwegian Road Federation (OFV)." source

"New energy vehicles (NEVs)—including pure electric and plug-in hybrid cars—accounted for a record 65.2% of new car sales in mainland China" source

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

depreciation per mile is usually a bigger cost than fuel.

OK, this might be something that a fleet manager would care about, but the average driver wouldn't consider in a hundred years. You don't have to swipe your card and pay for depreciation every four days. Not to mention that depreciation has no bearing on vehicle type and little connection to physical reality at all.

And if anything, EVs maintenance is lower than expectations. There is no robust recycling of EV batteries for instance because it turns out that the batteries last reliably for 30 years and most of the ones produced are still in service. Also EVs are by nature simpler, with many components being solid state. ICE are rube goldberg masterpieces, the result of decades of continuous development.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Depreciation is irrelevant and only brought up by combustion promoters. A car is a tool, not an investment in itself. The only relevant metric is overall yearly cost until the car dies.

Changing cars every few years, which is where depreciation matters, is an expensive luxury no one actually has to play.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (7 children)

It says "cheaper to drive" not "cheaper to own."

Regardless, taxes and insurance are roughly the same. Maintenance on an EV is FAR less than an ICE car (no oil changes, fewer brake changes, fewer moving parts to replace over time). So if "fuel" is 1/9, and maintenance is just replacing the tires and putting in new wiper fluid, then driving is going to be much cheaper.

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[–] magnue@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (7 children)

What's there to maintain? Even the brakes barely get used.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"to drive"

It's literally correct.

It's not 1/9th to own or registre. But it certinly is cheaper in reperations and service.

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[–] terrific@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's ironic that Trump's oil war is driving decarbonisation by pushing up oil prices. But I guess him and his friends are making lots of money on US oil.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 month ago

Trump's stock trades included a LOT of oil company stock the past few months. He's been raking in billions from this.

[–] chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Meanwhile here in California we have inflated electricity prices so much that fueling costs are almost equal. EVs edge out gas cars a little, but not by that much.

[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Damn if that's the case, solar installations there should pay itself a lot faster huh?

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Just by googling the electricity prices in California, I'd venture a guess and say yes. Unless it's particularly expensive to install there.

Here where I live, in Estonia, electricity is about a third to a half of the price of California if you get a fixed plan, or it gets super expensive in the winter when solar is useless, and super cheap (sometimes free energy, but grid fee still applies) in the summer when solar output is awesome thanks to the super long days, if you don't have a fixed plan. Installing solar panels without hefty batteries wouldn't pay off in 2026 (the only real benefit is on a fixed plan in the summer so you don't have to use grid power at all). In comparison, California has way less seasonal variability in production and as I understand it, less seasonal variability in demand too (our heating systems haul ASS in the winter, our record peak power consumption happened Feb 5th of this year).

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[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My bike is cheaper than a single monthly car payment and it's powered by cheesecake.

[–] auzy1@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

And there are so many people "triggered" by it

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I had a coworker go on an insane rant about his hatred of EVs after somebody mentioned Teslas. I wound him up even more by saying I'm fine with EVs just not ones built by Nazis.

[–] nodiratime@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago
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[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Jokes on you, i charge myne primarily with home solar, so its free.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I often get paid for charging mine. They paid me 30p on Sunday.

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[–] arc99@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

I own an EV (in Ireland). I would not say by any stretch I save that much as running a petrol car. It's probably in the order of a third perhaps and that's with a nighttime electricity plan where a kWh might cost 20c which works out about €4 at 15kWh/100km. A petrol car doing 6L/100km would cost about €12 at the moment. If somebody was using public fast chargers they would see very little savings.

There are other expenses like motor taxes, wear & tear (tyres, brakes), servicing, oil changes etc. which might affect the cost. The UK also has a really dumb excise on EVs where they get whalloped with 3p per mile of extra tax. So 100km (62.5miles) is £1.87 of tax to add onto the charge bill. Luckily Ireland doesn't get it but most other expenses are comparable.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Progress of EV's will be complete eventually but those oil company barons and tycoons sure made it stretch out and cost a lot more.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I expect they will keep trying to hold back EVs and compete forever, so never let your guard down. There will always be someone, somewhere, wanting to pump oil and feed it to a combustion engine for money. They'll say it's their culture, for Jesus, for their family, to feed baby koalas, to revive a poor dead rat, or whatever it takes to burn some form of petroleum, change climate, and try to buy a yacht or an island.

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