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Being the age I am, I’m just old enough to remember flip-phones.

A relatively simple concept that has been on my mind lately for reasons I’ll get to. Widely considered obsolete unless you just want a cheap phone to make calls etc., these phones featured a screen on one side, a keypad on the other, with a hinge joint between the two.

The reason that this device has been dragged back to the front of my brain in recent weeks is because I am reminded of them every time I see this:

To be clear: I’m aware that this foldable iphone is not the first foldable modern smartphone (I know Samsung released them years ago also).

But I’m also left wondering: what is the point? I think I can perfectly understand the use of flip phones as they were when they were popular, but foldable phones I just can’t see the benefit. As far as I can see, these foldable type of phones offer little to no benefit that you couldn’t get from, say a regular iPhone or Samsung phone, in terms of the consumer and how they are used in general life. I get that the hardware/software may be different, but that’s not going to be a factor in most people’s daily lives (you’re not going to care about the type of core, or the screen resolution when you make a phone call, etc.) It seems like it’s more of a gimmick from the companies making them to try and make more sales, but even if that’s the case, the product must have something unique to offer, so what is it about foldable phones that are so unique besides the gimmick of folding?

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[–] GatesMcBalmer@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago (43 children)

you’re not going to care about the type of core, or the screen resolution when you make a phone call...

It's not really a phone anymore. It's a portable pocket computer. Being able to unfold a larger screen makes sense for a portable pocket computer.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Yes, this is the answer and it's not that hard to understand.

What is hard to understand is the value proposition. Flips are more expensive for a lower spec device, and they're very unreliable--they're still breaking alot; wouldn't expect more than 2 years out of one.

For most people in the pocket computer market, their needs would be more economically served by a high end phone and a mid tablet, or a high end tablet and mid phone, both items having a naturally longer life than a flip, and will each be used less, and are individually replacable.

All-in-all, flip phones are a fine concept, but at their price point and longevity, they don't make a ton of sense for most people. Just easier to carry a tablet or put up with the smaller screen.

[–] GatesMcBalmer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

...expensive for a lower spec device, and they’re very unreliable...

We're all waiting to see what Apple brings out. Perhaps they have come up with a reliable design. Perhaps it will be junk. In any case I agree that the price is not justified for most people today even if it robust and reliable. Personally, I almost never by expensive phones as my use is not very demanding.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

I think Apple is buying their screens from Samsung, so wear should be the same. And, Neo aside, Apple is not known for bringing costs down.

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[–] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago

That's the reason I got a folding phone. I picked up a used OG Puxel Fold for around $300, installed GrapheneOS, and installed Termux. Unfolds into a large enough screen to make desktop PC application use work well. I regularly code on it and have Qt Creator and VSCode always available. I wish I could put postmarketOS or some other real Linux OS on it, but the screen makes it more viable than my actual Linux OnePlus 6 for desktop application use. It fits in my pocket too, which tablets do not.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 49 points 1 week ago (7 children)

No point.

We basically hit the ceiling with phones ten years ago.

There's no way to improve them without a massive shift in technology [think the shift from prop planes to jets]

Now they have to come up with new gimmicks to convince people to upgrade.

It's like 1950's Detroit putting bigger and bigger fins on cars that were basically the same as the 1930's technology.

[–] Cheese_man@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's like oreos. These are the "double stuff" smartphones, haha.

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That’s what I suspected.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It's a full color tablet that fits in your pocket. That comes with huge quality of life improvements displaying PDFs, e-books, comics, spreadsheets, charts, diagrams, videos, etc. Have you ever tried reading a PDF on a phone screen? It sucks.

I've had a fold for a couple years now, and I use the inner screen constantly. If you don't read as much as I do it's probably just a gimmick, but it's great for me.

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The foldable screen was a game changer for me. Id never had a ebook reader before and now all of the sudden I can read a book at work on my breaks. But also the coolest part is getting into graphic novels and comics for the first time in my life. Life changing.

the coolest part is getting into graphic novels and comics for the first time in my life. Life changing.

Yup, comics suck on a phone screen. I had been looking for a good color e-reader, and all things considered the portability of the fold made the decision pretty easy

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[–] capital_sniff@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is middle tech. It is like walking is to speed walking then running. One fold is proof of concept when we get to 3 or 4 folds that's where the magic happens. People watching a video without headphones out in public on a tiny screen, pretty annoying. We are three folds away from someone unfolding a 32" screen to watch their content anywhere also without headphones.

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[–] Strider@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As the owner of a fold6 I can tell you that one of the reasons I got it is that it could replace the occasional tablet use when you need more space eg maps and pictures.

In that, it succeeded quite well. However, everything is now optimized toward the standard phone format so it's nice but not really that important.

Would I buy a phone with a foldable display again? No, because after 22 months with like 1 fold a day the protection already comes off (replacing it is only 20€ if paid but I have to go on a field trip to get it made) and the price for the device is just not worth it.

So next time standard format again.

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[–] lonefighter@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I wish they'd bring back slider phones with physical keyboards. Pre-smartphone days I used to have a phone (I don't remember what it was) that was a full touch screen with a physical home and back button on the front and then you flipped it sideways and the back slid down and there was an entire physical keyboard for easy typing/texting. I'm not interested in a folding smartphone, but if they released a slider with an actual keyboard I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I loved that phone and I loved being able to type on the screen with a digital keyboard for quick stuff or flip the keyboard out and use actual keys when I wanted to type a novel of a text message.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Bigger screen, smaller pocket size.

They also break easier so you have to buy more phones.

[–] philipp_@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Screen is always protected though and those screens were very easy to scratch.

They can be damaged by dirt getting in the hinge. Iirc, the Pixel fold is the least at risk at an IP68 rating, but other brands tend to be IP4X (the first number is how resistant to particles)

If a piece of sand gets caught in the hinge it can permanently cause the screen to bubble out.

For the record, I've had a Samsung Z Fold the past 2 years without much issue besides the cases and protectors always falling apart within a year. And I'm going to switch to a Pixel Fold soon for Graphene OS

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[–] whiteblacula@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The functionality of a tablet with the portability of a phone. Seems straightforward and practical to me idk

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[–] bassgirl09@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

My motorola razr 2025 is a flip smart phone, and as a lady, it actually fits in the pockets of all my pants. My old non-flip phone did not fit in my pockets. It is common for ladies pockets (if pants even have them) to be less than 1/2 the size of pockets found in mens pants.

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, if you're my friend's kid, the point is to make it super easy to accidentally shatter the screen when you close it.

[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] hdsrob@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

My (adult) son has had a Samsung Fold for several years now and really likes it.

For him, it's basically a phone and tablet combined, and he no longer uses a separate tablet.

It's also good for running two apps side by side, and I see him doing that a lot (you can setup app groups that automatically launch together on each half of the inside screen).

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I don't understand. Do you not see that the screen doubles in size? It's like a 2 in 1 phone/tablet. That's the benefit.

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[–] weps@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I often switch to my tablet for reading something on a bigger screen

If I wouldn't have a tablet, a folding phone would be able to provide the bigger screen.

[–] _chris@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (9 children)

First off, hardly anyone under 50 uses a phone for calling any longer. It’s now a portable computer. I want a device in my pocket with a small footprint most of the time, but when I need a big screen for getting work done, I no longer need to carry around a tablet too. I can just unfold my phone and see a spreadsheet. Or take notes with a stylus. Or make some doodles. Or share a video with my wife or parents more easily that they can actually see.

So, it’s one device that has multiple functions in different forms. It also means I no longer need to have a ~$1200 phone and a ~$900 iPad mini, I can get both in a single $2000 device.

There are some companies making flip phones for the disconnected folks, if your primary need is a phone, go for it. The commodore one actually looks pretty cool.

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[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Untill the tech improves, nothing.

I've seen three foldey phones in the wild, and they all had a smattering of problems; dead pixels along the foldey bits, cracked plastic along the foldey bits, scratches on the non-foldey bits because shrapnel gets in between the screens, ect...

If we had just kept working on the keyboard slidey phones, we'd have pocket terminals by now, but the keyboard died and was replaced with software...

Edit: typos

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago
[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (8 children)

They break faster than non-folding phones, giving manufacturers an endless source of new revenue.

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[–] K9life@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I own a Motorola razer 2020, absolutely love this phone! It's five years old. Love that it folds and fits in my hand, pockets, cup holders and the like. When I'm ready I will most definitely get the new Razor.

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[–] iceberg314@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago

I have a new motorola razr.

Mainly I just think it is neat, but I do like the little screen on the outside. Ive actually noticed my screentime has decreased a lot. Its something about that extra step of opening it up and being able to handle little things on the small exterior screen.

I like how it fits in my pocket when folded compared to a normal phone

Another small thing is that I can set it up half folded to hold my flashlight while working or act as a camera tripod.

Battery is really good too. I'm not sure if it can just fit more battery or if the small exterior screen limits battery usage when closed, or both.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

Back in the day, flip phones were nice as they fit in your pocket.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Sometimes you want a larger screen for media or multitasking.

Or in the case of the flip-phone form factor, you want a phone that you can put away or fit in a smaller pocket/purse.

[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 5 points 1 week ago
[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

Remember before everyone had a smartphone, boomers would sometimes bring a 10 inch tablet to your kids ballet recital and hold it up obnoxiously above everyone's heads to record? We all want to relive that.

More seriously, it's for people who want the portability of a phone with the size of a tablet. Not something I want, but to each their own.

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