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I usually connect with my server via ssh in a terminal and run basic commands. What's a better, more efficient and modern way of doing that? Especially considering ai and documentation along the way? I wonder if there's a better approach than "connect from remote and act local". Is there a method to "code local and push to remote"?

I use a fedora server with podman, caddyfile and vi.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 18 hours ago

If you're connecting from a system that's a long distance away from your server in terms of latency, mosh can be more comfortable to use than ssh.

[–] silenium_dev@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe a bit more on the overkill side, but I use Talos Linux (declarative K8s distribution), then Terraform for initial setup and FluxCD for everything else (including VMs via Kubevirt). It's a hell of an initial learning curve, but afterwards I just do my talosctl upgrade and upgrade-k8s from time to time, and don't have to worry about anything else. Upside is, Kubernetes provides a unified, extensible API for everything, for example:

  • reverse proxy via Ingress or Gateway-API
  • firewall via NetworkPolicy
  • even databases like Postgres through an Kubernetes Operator like CNPG, with a similar simplicity as with the big cloud providers (just a single yaml file with the specs like storage capacity, CPU and memory limits, backup target and schedule etc.)
  • it is very scriptable (everything is managed via the API)
  • automated image updates via either FluxCD itself or just dependabot/RenovateBot creating PRs to your GitOps repo

Downsides:

  • you have to figure out persistent storage (CSI), which is slightly more complicated than just a single filesystem and manually specifying volume mounts like with docker, but if done right, you have a simple interface with powerful capabilities via the Kubernetes API
    • there are simple CSI implementations that just expose node local disks via LVM or ZFS, so if you just have a single node, or don't care about replication, it's fairly easy to get started
  • initial learning curve is quite high, especially if you have no prior experience with container orchestration in general
  • definitely overkill if you just want something simple that "just works"
[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I assume this is on your own physical hardware? What parts do you set up with terraform?

[–] silenium_dev@feddit.org 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yes, my own hardware. But before I decided to build my own server last September, I was on a similar setup on a dedicated server at Hetzner, just less powerful (I'm so goddamn glad I bought the memory and storage back then, I probably wouldn't even get the 192GB DDR5 right now for the price I paid for all memory and storage combined).

Terraform starts at the Talos initial machine config and cluster bootstrap including CNI setup and routing configuration (I have an opnsense in front that handles ingress routing) until FluxCD is fully set up and takes over.

Ingress traffic works via a small Hetzner VPS, and BGP through Wireguard, so there is no DNAT or SNAT between the open Internet and my Kubernetes load balancers and all services see the actual client IP. This took a shit load of time to get right, because wireguard only has an mtu of 1420, but the regular uplink is usually 1500, so pmtu discovery in my load balancers implementation (Cilium) and mss clamping in opnsense had to all be configured

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Local ansible playbook, easily replayable and documented. This in a git repo and you're fine.

[–] JangleJack@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Tailscale service configs for HTTPS ingress and DNS resolution. Podman quadlets / podlets for everything except backup software and tailscale itself. I use the open version of VS code to edit config files in place, but I push them to a private git as well as having them backed up. Storage for app data, media, and configs (everything but OS) is via NFS shares from my gaming PC's RAID volume. I can run a plenty of apps on an old thinkpad this way. After you configure the first few quadlets with tailscale, it gets real straightforward, but there is a learning curve. Yes, I use SSH, but it is the remote conmection and terminal in Code.

[–] JangleJack@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Oh yeah, podman let's me run all the containers as user-space systemd services.

[–] tiny_hedgehog@piefed.social 62 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I ssh into it twice a year to perform updates but otherwise i leave it alone. Server's been chugging along for like a decade now.

[–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Similar, but you might want to update more frequently with the huge number of critical security bugs being discovered by AI recently

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have unattended upgrades configured

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hmm I need to figure out how to do that

[–] needanke@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

If you are using aptitude (apt) it is quite simple: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/how-to/software/automatic-updates/

If you just want security updates and are fine with the default configs:

# apt install unattended-upgrades
[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Twice a year is crazy. I suppose most of my maintainence is adding drives (I'm a creator and I definitely totally need to archive all of my footage), but I also run a fair few apps that have needed manual update steps, so I do all my updates manually so I can fix stuff if it breaks.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 83 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wait for something to break. Then I yell "God fucking dammit, I don't have time for this right now!" and spend an hour triaging things before I just try docker down, pull, up and everything works.

[–] jwiggler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

same. or i just df and see / 100%

[–] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Early on I wrote a script for my user account to run df and save the output to a file, then a second script to read that file and if the drive was full send me an email.

First, it failed because it couldn't send the email because the email service failed under full disk conditions.

Second, it failed because it couldn't write the file to disk because the disk was full.

Third, it failed because outbound SMTP was blocked by my ISP.

I learned a lot about how well you can fail if you really put your mind to it. Now I have Home Assistant grabbing the disk stats for my machines and flagging anything over 90%.

[–] vext01@feddit.uk 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I just use ssh and manually type commands. Keep doing it and you will get good and it will become second nature.

No need to burn tokens on basic tasks.

Master your tools. Learn awk, sed, just, etc.

Some shell customisation can help. For example I'm fond of zsh-auto-suggestions and skim. Makes me quicker.

[–] moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] varyingExpertise@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That, and there is no change that isn't done on ansible, or, when it required trying and research gets backported into a bit of ansible.

[–] rhaidiz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Premise: most, if not all, of my services run in containers.

I have recently moved to docker context. It’s a pretty cool feature that I don’t see mentioned that often. Essentially it allows to run docker commands from your machine and tunnel them via SSH to your server. What I like about this is that I need all the compose file in my main machine and structure them into a repository so that I don’t have everything scattered around. The new approach I have implemented very recently is this.

One monorepo with one folder per server and in each one a folder per service containing docker compose and .env files. With dotenv I sent the docker context whenever I enter a specific folder, so as soon as I cd into that folder, any docker command I run from there would be tunneled to the correct server.

For everything that does not run in docker, which is not much I think at the moment only vector to collect metrics and logs, I use Ansile. In this case the need is that I want Vector to run on all servers so Ansible is the better choice here.

[–] dihutenosa@piefed.social 14 points 2 days ago

I write my NixOS configs in my PC, commit to the repo, then push it to the server. Then SSH in, and apply it. Or more likely, MOSH in.

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A mix of prayer and bash scripts.

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[–] kossa@feddit.org 22 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Ansible is one way to "code local, push to remote(s)". Can define so-called playbooks, which is basically just a script, to do reoccuring tasks like e.g. updates.

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[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I spent a while getting Ansible to be able to setup and maintain my server(s). And ended up not using it as much as I should, mostly because the computer I used to run Ansible from became a "Steam Machine" so I'm rarely sitting on it with a keyboard now and I don't want to have personal info and keys on my work computer.

But it was a good learning, and useful while I used it. Now I just use ssh and compose files directly.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

You upgraded from ansible to ssh. As someone forced to write yaml for ansible professionally and has used many other config management tools, I can only commend your success at escaping ansible.

Try mgmtconfig.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

It’s good to get comfortable in the command line, including over ssh.

Especially considering ai and documentation along the way?

If I am going to ask AI or Google about something, I just do that to help me find the answer and then apply the answer myself. That way I learn, and can double check the AI isn’t hallucinating, at least on in obvious ways.

As for documentation, I keep a notes folder with detailed notes on manual configuration I’ve done, how and why, and the things I’ve learned along the way. I’ve found it’s both useful to help remember the things I’ve learned, and it is useful to go back to refer to.

[–] mio@lemmy.mio19.uk 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

self hosted gitlab. each server has a repo with all the docker configs and application configs. also have any scripts for the server itself on there as well, things like required libs, network configs, etc.

I also have a repo dedicated for let's encrypt SSL that retrieves new certs every month. then on each server is an install script scheduled that pulls the certs down, installs them, and restarts any services automatically.

should anything go wrong, I have a siem monitor that will alert me that a service failed to start etc.

currently running four servers like this with varying degrees of complexity.

[–] soyslurper2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"code local and push remote" is only more efficient if you have a faulty connection with ssh or want to use a GUI editor that doesn't support remote connections. What you're doing is good. You can scoure for more "modern" ways that might have more glimmer and sparkly lights, but it won't improve efficiency.

[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Declarative configuration (like docker compose) is basically "code local, push remote", and it has a lot of benefits, including improving efficiency because you have a clearer idea of exactly what is set up on the server, to make it easier to debug or make changes.

Contrast this with just sshing in and running a bunch of commands to install something. Then coming back months later and wondering "what files did I touch? what packagea did I install? Hmm dpkg log says I added X but then later I removed it, so was it important?" Etc.

[–] albbi@piefed.ca 9 points 2 days ago

I've been using a program someone on Lemmy has been writing: SSHPilot. It helps keep my server list organized and can easily ssh to the machines or open up a file browser for easy drag and drop of files if I have some quick files to move around. It copies ssh keys easily as well.

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I created git repos on my main workstation for each homelab server/service I maintain that keeps:

  • documentation
  • notes
  • lessons learned
  • scripts, configs
  • runbooks
  • backup details
  • security audit details
  • log items that need attention
  • infrastructure

I just point a local LLM (offline model that runs on my workststion) into those repos and ask it to perform certain things on those servers. It can do things like update packages, install packages, make config changes, set/check permissions, read logs (and fix errors in real time), and check the health of the overall system.

I have it run pre backups before making changes, then post backups once its done.

Once changes are in place and everything is running okay, I ask it to update documentation in the repo and tag the release.

I use opencode that connects to a llama.cpp service. opencode lets me gate the AI so that any elevated commands that it needs to run (e.g. sudo or ssh), I have to approve it. It cant just go around making changes without permission.

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[–] mat@jlai.lu 5 points 1 day ago

My target is terraform to provide VMs on my miniPC and ansible to configure them. For my nas, probably a basic distro then some ansible stuff to setup stomate.

I'll take the maverick and share my niche position. I did most if not all my proxmox setup and configuration via complete reliance on LLMs. Now, before anyone says "why would you do that", and I'll be straight up. I was high for all of it, and not a small blaze I'm talking regularly stoned for months. And I'll say it "got me by" for the frame work. It worked? Sorta. Music, Plex, immich, docker, arr stack, podman. Now, I can't say I fully understand it still and I've done a lot of changes since that point last year and I figured it out by asking the model to backtrack what we did and I wont lie it helped me better learn how to question the models for my job, and It did decent documnetation over my server. But again, I was literally high doing it

[–] farcaller@fstab.sh 7 points 2 days ago

nixos, mostly. It has a very steep learning curve but if it breaks I’m just "whatever, rollback now, fix properly later".

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago

Nothing wrong with good old ssh. My VMs are different enough that building and maintaining ansible playbooks or something similar would be a bigger task than actually doing it in the traditional way. Maybe I could benefit by building simple playbooks to populate user accounts, ssh keys, smtp relay settings and other common things, but I don't really set up new servers that often that it would justify spending time to set up tools for that.

[–] Willem@kutsuya.dev 3 points 1 day ago

I have a kubernetes cluster inside of Proxmox vm's, generally I write a deployment, commit it to a git repo and then use argocd to deploy it in the cluster.

This is not something I would advise to anyone but the clinically insane, but for me there is a certain zen in having everything in git like that. It's for me the only way I can manage the 60ish applications I run without it having a permanent spot in my brain.

[–] BartyDeCanter@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

I have a git repo with all my docker files, config, notes, etc. I have a main overview file covering the overall system and then a directory for each machine. I edit things on my local machine, then scp and ssh to the various remotes. Once I’m happy with my changes, I commit and push to my Forgejo install on my NAS in case my main computer fails. Secrets, passwords, and keys are in my Vaultwarden.

I don’t use AI for it, but a local model could probably give me the commands to do whatever I wanted based on the repo.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

I use Gitlab for all configurations ans then I have a Gitlab runner in my K3S cluster so I can deploy locally for free

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I deploy with ansible keys and install ssh with a keys-only config and only ansible access.

Then I run some standard installs and configs with ansible and all future updates to apt, apk and docker are done with one ansible playbook.

I don't include the ansible host itself in the automation, nor my workstation, just to prevent everything from being broken at once if something goes wrong.

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