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Murdered by Words

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[–] YragNitram1956@feddit.uk 2 points 6 days ago

This may sound absurdly simplistic but think about it. Suppose (to take the most improbable example) you decided, or were told and chose to believe the world was created by an invisible entity who, despite all the evidence that he or she occasionally disliked us but was mostly indifferent actually loved us and thought about us all the time . Suppose, piling absurdity upon improbability, you also decided, or were told to believe , that this same person decided to split himself in two and turn one part of himself into an ordinary person like you and me and pay a visit to a desert tribe and get himself arrested and executed for treason, at which point he performed a conjuring trick, came back to from the dead, vanished mysteriously but planned to return and punish all the bad people and make everything nice (though in the meantime, the bad people could go on getting away with it and the good people go on getting buggered up by the bad people-that is, when they were not getting cancer, or run over or bankrupt. Or tortured, of flogged or were worked like beasts or raped or killed in power struggles which were nothing to do with them) Suppose you were misguided enough to believe that lot. What you would do? Would you devote all your spare hours to finding someone who would disabuse of these intently peculiar delusions, so that you could finally sleep at night? Or would you go, once a week or more, to listen to someone telling you that you were quite and every thing you believed was true and what’s more, if you ever stopped believing it, terrible things would happen to you even after you had died?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

should have been put to death at least a hundred times by now according to the bible.

if anyone should ever need proof that religion is absolute bullshit, look no further than him and his friends.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 96 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And let's not forget sloth, gluttony, wrath, envy, vanity and pride.

[–] Smeagol666@crazypeople.online 14 points 1 week ago

Vanity and pride are the same sin, you forgot lust and greed.

[–] rapchee@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

are the seven sins in the bible?
quick search suggests not

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[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Trump never cared for religion until he realised he can use it as a tool for oppression

[–] dracc@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 1 week ago (30 children)

Was religion ever intended to fill a different role?

[–] GardenGeek@europe.pub 23 points 1 week ago (10 children)

It was/is a ruleset made by humans for humans to ensure cooperation within huge groups. Bit outdated nowadays but the concept is continued in form of laws, human rights, social norms etc.

[–] dracc@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's also commonly used to create a strong sense of "us"/"them", inferiority to the unquestionable elite, superiority and self righteousness over non-believers, and a great way to force your underlings to do your bidding disguised as words from "God", whoever that might be.

[–] Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Sure, but it seems those same structures remain in place today but in a secularized form. Nation-States create this divisive sentiment which the bourgeois classes utilise in order to bid the oppressed against each others. The struggle between the state and the church is secondary to the material struggle between an upper and a lower class.

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[–] mig@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I often reflect on the role it filled for mental health before the advent of science, psychology, and neuropsychiatry.

I was raised in a very opressive sect of protestantism, where I was instructed to pray and meditate. I find it analogus to visualisation and self reflection. I learned silence and meditation, I was put in situations where sitting silent by the hour listening to empty droning speech was my only recourse. My first awareness of the concept of mental illness was from bible stories of those people being healed implying their condition was not inherent to them, they were innocent.

The act of singing together about our beliefs and feelings has always seemed like a powerful thing that has vanished from our society, except at baseball games.

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[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Don't forget, the Bible says loaning money with interest is a road to hell.

[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

He took the road all the way into the mouth of hell, then set up signs pointing back the way he came from saying “Beware the road to hell!”

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[–] Malica@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

According to the Bible he's the damn antichrist

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've legit heard this sentiment irl. Between qanon and Left Behind we lost a lot of folks to conspiracy.

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[–] gogonan@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Death for adultery? I’d like to think we’re more evolved than biblical law these days. For instance, I think he should be put to death for all the child rape but that’s just me.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We can put him to death for many things. No need to limit ourselves.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

We can also innovate! For instance, he should receive every death sentence at once.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reading the bible is an easy path to atheism

[–] III@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"Studying", sadly, isn't reading. But the eventual lawsuit about requiring Quran study will be fun. Not to mention when the church of satan steps in.

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[–] brem@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

"I never really thought about hell, until I learned about people I wished it existed for...."

~ Me

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

The tiny little rural town I was raised in as a kid had a dog food factory, an itty bitty post office not much bigger than a port 'o potty, and an old shut down gas station. I think the town and surrounding area had a population of 300 or 500 (this was back in the 90s). It also had 10 churches (maybe more) all lined up along the bypass highway that went through "downtown".

40 years later, as of last time I've been through, nothing's really changed.

I only say this because I feel like kids already had plenty of options to study the Bible? Like half those churches did some kind of service 7 days a week, and on some days, multiple services. Services including Sunday School and Bible Study.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In my opinion, this will only hurt Christianity, so I'm all for it.

There's no better way to produce atheists than reading the Bible, Koran, and/or Tanakh, exposure only helps secular society.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They'd only read about the bible. Probably watch prageru videos, actually.

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[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Just flood him with Bible quotes that emphasize why him and his family are sinners going to hell. Non-stop. Break the connection between Republicans and Christianity.

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[–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure that punishment was only meted out to women, even rape victims.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, both partners were supposed to be stoned. If you raped an unmarried woman you had to pay her father and marry her.

Leviticus 20:10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death

Deuteronomy 22:23If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

25But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

28If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29he shall pay her father fifty shekels c of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I’d rather be stoned than forced to marry my rapist. The Bible really fucking sucks.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago

And people ask how atheists can know right from wrong without the Bible 🤦‍♂️

[–] SourDragon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If those were my two options, I'd gather up the execution rocks myself

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[–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

No, both partners were supposed to be stoned.

In practice this was rarely the case. Men were generally not stoned for rape or adultery.

My point is there is often a stark difference between the law and the application of the law. This is how conservatives hid behind the law, saying things like "There's no systemic racism, look at the law!" while ignore the unequal application/enforcement of law.

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

They didn’t have that option before? The Bible was banned?

[–] MrRandom@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

But the bible was for waving

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What you really need is civics classes so people actually learn how your system works

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

My civics class was taught by a conservative who complained about illegal immigrates, unions, and welfare queens. Also praised Disney for gentrifying Time Square.

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