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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.wtf/post/49143200

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/71629767

This is unacceptable. And I’m sick of all the fucking workarounds to maintain basic privacy.

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[–] ScarlettStunningSpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I'm burned out being online anymore. It was fun and now it's not. It's just stressful

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I just run my own internet now, completely restricted to my own hosted websites and services. With hookers and blackjack.

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Actually, forget the internet

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

I think all this regulation will make the internet small again. The pendulum will swing away from this terrible direction we've gone in. I'm okay with it. Let them ruin it. I know that there will still be places to go.

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

every goddamn thing needs an update or a login or some feature was deleted or now this thing cant talk to that thing. it is unbelievably exhausting. i dream of becoming a hermit in the woods somewhere.

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It seems bleak but there are millions of sites and many of them aren't going to add age checks.

And there are also self-hostable alternatives although figuring out how to install and use it can be difficult. But I'm getting used to docker it's a lot easier than when I first started.

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 121 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Nice of them to push everyone to Linux.

[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 58 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Not gonna matter when apps and services start blocking Linux, or even worse, should this shit creep up the chain to the ISP level and should ISPs start requiring an Apple, Google, or MS OS just to get online to begin with.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 65 points 5 days ago (12 children)

That’s when I buy a LoRa array and a ham license.

The thing about the Internet is that anyone can be an ISP and any devices can be networked. If consumer ISPs become gatekeepers, we can network without them. And then we can tunnel encrypted data over the official devices that can’t be fully locked down.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

when I buy a LoRa array and a ham license.

And talk to who? You (and I) and the 0.001% can ham it up, but the rest of the world will be living in a different bubble.

[–] dihutenosa@piefed.social 28 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Talk to like-minded people - like you and me here, sitting on Fediverse, discussing tech. Help set family and friends up with access. That's what I do today with my Matrix server.

The rest of the world rarely have anything good to say.

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[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

Well Meshcore only recently arrived here, but you can still reach Latvia from southern Finland. Not completely effortlessly though.

[–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

I'd like to kick most of the world out of my bubble anyway. Most people just annoy and depress me.

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[–] Maiq@piefed.zip 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My fear is that personal devices will be super expensive and out of reach for most people and the only devices available will be subscription run and cloud served only. Enfeebled portable device and no power to own or even run anything locally. Locked in! No way out.

That is why the tech bros are going all in on the datacenters and burning books. Setting fire to the bridge as they cross.

Ai is just the excuse and the manufactured scarcity of hardware is the weapon that they hope to use to hold us hostage.

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[–] Wakko@hell.cloud 39 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Y'all just cannot fathom how completely most people do not care until it directly impacts them personally.

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Shit even when it does impact them directly they still do nothing but accept it, while whining about it.

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[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I remember when consumers had power because they refused to buy things. Tech has power because no one will go without. Don't buy a new phone, computer, tablet, game. Make do with what you already have. Stop approving of everything Tech is doing by buying all their stuff regardless of the enshitification and spyware. Learn how to use cash again or whatever is necessary to stop empowering Tech.

[–] GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

buy refurbished if possible

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[–] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 59 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Data hoard enough shit to get you through however many decades you have left and get off grid.

That's literally the only solution that's going to be left.

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not sure that is going to be a solution either. Have you seen HDD prices lately?

In the end, corporate buyers are cornering the market for self-use technology. Once the consumer market is gone, and habits change, there may be no going back since a new subscription market will be built and self-perpetuating. So I hope the AI bubble pops before that happens.

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[–] phx@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Assuming age ID wasn't invasive and stupid to begin with, there could be other ways to set it that would be much less invasive for many devices, such as setting an "IS_ADULT" flag on devices (or even an associated account) at the time of registration.

"Hey Mr Smith, it looks like you've never registered a device on our phone network before but you've got a driver's license from 1979 so we'll just set the age code on your account aaaand, done".

Then you get a sheet of random scratch-off AV codes pulled from a drawer that you can use on other shit, similar to how VPN providers do to separate payment vs login. Nothing should ever say who you are or even your age, just "hey this person is old enough, fuck off and let them at it".

It's still annoying, but less privacy invasive. And it'll never fly because what they really want is to tie all communication back to a person not just an age.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

been saying this for over a decade.

nobody cared then, nobody cares now.

the day I can no longer ensure my privacy is the day I abandon tech completely.

the day I can no longer live daily without technology is the day I abandon society.

[–] neotheone@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Stallman calls this “Service as a Software Substitute” (SaaSS): users operate weak “thin clients” while the real computing happens on someone else’s server. He argues this creates dependence and oppression because users cannot control, inspect, modify, or reliably access the software handling their data. He develops this argument in “What Does That Server Really Serve?” (2010).

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[–] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago (9 children)

You can't demand anything from open source becasue I can just change the demands myself. Linux is free from this nonsense.

[–] chaospatterns@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What I'm worried about is whether we'll be able to connect to anything else. With open source, sure you can remove age gates, but with device attestation coming to a device near you, you won't be he able to log into your favorite game or website.

Its already like that with CloudFlare randomly blocking my Firefox on Linux install occasionally.

[–] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

That's why local networks are beginning to pop up. We're working on a scaled-down version of Internet for the kids in our estate. So far, it's to control what they have access to, and to provide them with a safe social network. But I can see this growing to localised "Internet" instances for everybody.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago

only until device attestation does not exist on the web. google has already tried to make it a thing, and the public backlash only caused them to continue development in chrome on android

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[–] axh@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago

If we are adding age verification, can we please accept that AI age should be calculated for each version separately? So the ChatGPT version X is only 2 years old and should only be allowed to watch Teletubbies

[–] magnolia_mayhem@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

People aren't burning enough buildings down

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Or just use a sensible OS that you control.

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[–] herculeskan@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 days ago

I hope I. The future, laptops bring Linux by default

[–] Shin@piefed.social 13 points 5 days ago (6 children)

My problema isn’t the age verification, but the privacy. But how to solve it the age without leaking data to third party servers?

[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 17 points 5 days ago (3 children)

how to solve it the age without leaking data to third party servers?

Really easily. There are multiple possible options, not all equally easy, but the best option for privacy is also the easiest.

You don't do true age verification. You mandate that operating systems and browsers work out a parental controls API and require apps and websites support that API. Then you ask (if you really want, you could demand, but I'd prefer to ask or suggest) parents to ensure their kids' devices are configured correctly. When a user tries to access an age-restricted site, it calls an API in their browser, which calls an API in the OS, which returns a simple true/false value based on whether or not the current profile is configured to be old enough to access it.

Adults don't have to do anything to prove they are adults. Merely the fact that they were able to buy a device that they control and didn't get configured as a child is the proof.

More complicated solutions if you really insist on having true age verification could involve blinded signatures. I can explain in more detail if people are interested, but the slightly simplified TL;DR is that you have a system where the user goes to a trusted age verifier (my preference is for governments to do this themselves rather than farm it out to private companies, but either works). They do the age verification using ID, face recognition, whatever, and send the user a special token that they can use to prove they were age verified but which the site can't use to determine any personal details about the user. Meanwhile the age verifier doesn't know what site the age verification was just done for.

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[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The problem is that the services are asking for age verification, but to do that, you need to supply them personal information, and the way the information is handled is opaque. You're handing highly sensitive information to a private company that, more often than not, cannot be trusted to handle that information responsibly for the singular purpose they're tasked with.

One solution would be an official government service which supplies this information and nothing else. We have "strong identification service" in Finland, they supply your identifying information to government services and businesses that need to have the actual information on record, while you see which information gets shared. There's no technical reason this service couldn't just supply "Is this person 18+? Yes/No" and absolutely nothing else, even anything tying this person to any identifier.

Actually, if age verification would become a legal requirement, I'd expect the technical side to be exactly that. I frankly can't believe the UK half-assed this stuff and went "whatever, let private providers use whatever voodoo they can come up with to make age verification happen".

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I frankly can’t believe the UK half-assed this stuff and went “whatever, let private providers use whatever voodoo they can come up with to make age verification happen”.

Do you not have corruption in Finland?

Belgium's user verification app was built by a consortium of local banks and ISPs, most of which have politicians or ex-politicians on their boards.

[–] kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

we don't have corruption in finland. we only have "hyvä veli -verkostot" which means "dear brother networks"

they might or might not be the exact same thing, but who knows

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago

Chronicles of a death foretold.

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