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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 123 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 39 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is no doubt one of the best answers. But also I think the episode where Data is studying humor kind of answered it as well. If there’s no consequence to failure, it’s not actually thrilling, it’s just VR. If you can’t feel the pain of the cut, are you going to learn to sword fight as well?

Training martial arts would actually be amazing in a holodeck. Imagine being able to fight Tyson, but at 10% strength so you can better understand his moves, then ramp up his strength slowly to understand how you can counter stronger opponents? Or Ali at 25% speed so you can work your way up to full speed reaction timing.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Tyson at 10% would still wreck my shit

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[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 71 points 1 week ago (21 children)

It's a military vessel. The bigger question to me is why don't they turn off all the safety protocols around the transporters more often?

I think at least half of their problems could be solved if they used transporters to intentionally kill people or to disable other vessels. "Their shields are down? Beam their life support system and parts of the ship's hull into space."

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Shhhhh... It's a TV show and the transporters were always just a plot device anyway.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, that's why it was a response to the holodeck question, which has the same answer, only the holodeck is far less immediately powerful.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The holodeck is also just a plot device. Instead of the TOS penchant for time travel and "oh no, we ended up on Earth in 18XX/19XX" plots, they could hit the Holodeck as the release valve. Lower stakes, lower contrivance barrier to get the crew into the situation.

You want real life? The safety protocols keep people from breaking the damn thing. It wouldn't render half the dangerous stuff, like bullets flying too fast to bother rendering. The emitters wouldn't be able to render objects inside a body, so bullets would only penetrate a few cm at best if they did render. Knives and sharp objects might not render sharp enough to cause real harm, and might not render into the would, either, so also low penetrative range. Chemical reactions are visual simulations, so acid doesn't really burn. Poison isn't real poison because it's a hologram that feels real, not real chemicals. Blunt force trauma, crushing force, and maybe heat, might be the only guaranteed ways to do violence in the Holodeck with the protocols turned off.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I like the part about how the holodeck power was separate so they could fuckoff there when they were about to die instead of hooking that power supply up and getting life support back.

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[–] 0x4f1@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No it is not a military vessel. It is an exploration vessel. That is the core mission. Not sure how anyone who has actually watched StarTrek miss this key point.

[–] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Whether or not Starfleet is a military force is a pretty debated topic, you really can't brush it off like it's a closed case.

They have command rank and structure similar to a military. They have ships. The ships have weapons - powerful ones. Sometimes they use the weapons.

We can argue "well they don't want to use them," but a lot of earth militaries don't really want to be in combat either, until they have to be.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It depends what Star Trek you are watching as well.

Defiant is very definitely a military vessel. Next Gen Enterprise has like a thousand people on it or something so it's less clear.

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[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think that people who say that Starfleet is not a military organization must just have a different definition of "military" than I do.

In addition to all of the things you mentioned, when Earth is attacked, Starfleet frequently orders ships to return and fight.

So, they're either a police or a military, and the fact that they may face court martial for disobeying orders to fight really decides it in the direction of military for me.

That's by my own definition of military. I was looking at the Star Trek wiki and it seems that Roddenberry was very much against Starfleet being the military. He must just have a different criteria.

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[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Its always been dumb that transporting opposing crews into space or directly into brig cells isn't the main strategy for any culture with transporter tech.

Oh, their shields are down. Better poke tiny holes in their hull for an hour and hope they don't kill us first.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

Isn’t that what the borg did?

They just kinda pulled off sections to analyze/wreck the ship like a tiny bug.

[–] MoffKalast@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I think the cannon response is that you'd have to lower your own shields to do it, which is risky. But yeah if both were down, then go to town.

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[–] rovingnothing29@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] snooggums@piefed.world 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Always, and never.

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[–] not@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Well, obviously it is based on Linux. What, you don't want root access to your holodeck?

At least you don't need a Meta account to access the holodeck!

Oh! Edit! That's the Ferengi model!

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Disable the safety protocols"

"That functionality is not permitted"

"Sudo disable the safety protocols"

"Okie dokie"

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fun fact: In universe the OS is called LCARS or Library Computer Access and Retrieval System. The name and how they use the computers are largely due to the main lore building happening in a time before PCs were ubiquitous and mainframes were still the norm.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

They were still outputing paper tape in the TOS era. Almost like they had to relearn computing from first principles at some point.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 31 points 1 week ago (4 children)

In the future everything runs on some variation of Linux, so even if there were barriers in place: you own your device, it's not going to stop you.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (9 children)

In the TNG episode Descent, Data tries to run a physically dangerous experiment and turn off the safety protocols, but this time the computer requires 2 officers to authorize it. I guess they finally got smart after a few years?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe it was just that dangerous to let data fuck around with the holodeck.

Wait, disregard I'm thinking of Geordi and Barclay

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Because apparently getting your balls stomped on by the tall vampire lady from Resident Evil counts as “unsafe.” She knows my safety word, how is that not safe?

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] isekaihero@ani.social 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably for physics experiments. The holodeck isn't just used for entertainment. They might use it to simulate new engines or technologies they are working on. If the forcefields can interact to work just like a prototype engine would, it becomes possible to prototype new tech in the holodeck then fabricating the real thing.

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[–] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (12 children)

My headcanon is that the holodeck is basically like a big replicator that you can play around inside. It can effectively create anything from the molecules up. That's why you can drink alcohol in a simulated bar, for example. Most of the time the holodeck is just used for fun.

If you went into the replicator for a camping trip, you might want to boil some water over the holodeck "fire", but most of the time it would be a simulated fire that didn't get hot enough to hurt you because of the safety protocols. It could simulate the look of the boiling water over the fire, and let you pour that into a teapot. Then, it would simply replicate some tea, earl grey, hot, into the teapot (at a safe, drinkable temperature).

In that case there's really no need to disable the fire or boiling water safety protocols.

But, what if the ship was damaged while out in deep space and couldn't easily get back home to a repair dock. You'd want some way to repair it. As far as I can remember, they've never shown the ship to have a machine shop, so maybe that's how they use the holodeck. Since those situations are really rare the holodeck is mostly a place for people to play around, but in a disaster you see its primary purpose.

For certain things, it can just replicate them directly, like say some antimatter conduit, it's just a room-sized replicator that can create big items. They even show the holodeck having a huge doorway, instead of just a normal person-sized door. Since the holodeck can simulate big things, presumably you wouldn't need to say drive a dune buggy into the holodeck because it can just create one inside. So, maybe the big doors are for taking things out of the room.

Maybe you don't need to disable safety protocols for that. You just say "replicate an antimatter conduit". Then Barclay and Jordi can carry it out through those big doors and put it where it needs to go.

But, there seem to be some things that can't be created by a replicator. I assume latinum can't because otherwise why wouldn't the Ferengi just create as much of it as they wanted. Also, if you could just replicate dilithium, a lot of problems would be solved, so presumably you can't do that.

But, maybe you can build a dilithium repair machine, or something like that. Now, if the crew is training how they'd use that kind of a machine shop in a disaster, maybe the safety protocols would be on, and out of the simulated machine would pop a simultated dilithium crystal. But, if there were a real disaster, you'd need a real machine, with dangerous electricity, dangerous antimatter, who knows what else. So, in that case, the holodeck becomes a machine shop where you turn off the safety protocols and real physics happens and you can do whatever's necessary.

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[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For those....extra spicy...holodeck programs

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[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 17 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Be glad. Many an episode would not have happened otherwise.

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[–] daggermoon@piefed.world 16 points 1 week ago

plot convenience

[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That, and why do the doors not have a manual override?

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think they do but the problem is finding them

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[–] marcos@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (12 children)

How else do you expect to use it against the Borg?

Would You expect them to replicate real machine guns? Are you crazy?

[–] criscodisco@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Picard out here making ghost guns.

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[–] rnduser314@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago

So the scriptwriters can make their plot happen. Same answer to every technical "Why?!" question.

[–] LazyOldPervert@lemmus.org 14 points 1 week ago (6 children)

God forbid Geordi wants to bang the Dr. Brahm hologram once and a while, it's not like he's in DEEP space or anything.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

“Developer mode”

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So you can pull out emergency Tommy guns if the ship ever gets boarded.

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[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

It's like the SafeSearch off option in Google Chrome

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The enterprise may be a science and diplomacy ship but it’s still effectively a warship and is occasionally used as one when the situation demands it. But since its mission isn’t combat related itself it’d stand to reason that the holodecks would be used to maintain combat readiness for the crew in addition to entertainment.

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

BDSM fans of course

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