I'm sure it's great to use, which is why I was really interested in it, but for the price it's at I can't honestly justify getting one. Even if it were around $750, as it was rumoured, it would have felt a bit too expensive, with the current state of VR gaming.
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Keep in mind the Meta VR system is being sold at a loss as a personal data scraper that records everything you and your family says, as well as the inside of your house video and videos of your kids. It scrapes everything.
Sure, which is why I never bought and would never buy an Oculus headset. I also hated how they tried to build a closed ecosystem and probably ended up doing a lot of damage to VR gaming. I just don't feel like access to VR is worth more than ~$800.
If you want to dip your toes in VR (and have a Windows PC), get a used WMR headset. As mentioned in my other comment, a former Microsoft engineer made these usable again by releasing a custom driver after official support was removed from Windows.
These headsets all have high-res displays (perfect for flight sims and sim racing - you can easily read instrument panels), even the cheapest ones - and some higher-end models come with excellent OLED panels. Hardware requirements are very low and most PCVR games work just fine out of the box. Setup is incredibly quick and easy, with just a single cable with HDMI and USB at the other end (you also need a decent Bluetooth-adapter for the controllers). You can get one of these headsets - they were produced by a variety of manufacturers under license - connected and running in less than five minutes, including defining the borders of your play area. There's no breakout box, no adapters, no external trackers or additional power supplies.
Their main disadvantage are the somewhat clunky controllers that rely on camera-based tracking in combination with built-in sensors. Fine for quick movements everywhere and precise movements in front of the cameras, but the tracking is nowhere near as reliable as on more expensive or newer headsets (expect to briefly - a second or less - lose tracking about once every three or four hours of playing). It's still more than good enough for pretty much every VR game though, including the likes of Beat Saber, HL Alyx, competitive VR shooters, Skyrim VR (probably the best VR game there is), etc.
Controllers use standard AA batteries, by the way, which means there are no old and decaying built-in batteries to worry about. I'd get rechargeable ones.
Prices were incredibly low already compared to other headsets when they were new. Used - since most consider them obsolete after the official loss of support - they are a bargain. You can find a working Lenovo Explorer with controllers (the cheapest recommended option) for less than 100 bucks on ebay, easily. A fancier headset, like the Samsung Odyssey+ with its gorgeous OLED panel, can be had for maybe 20 or 30 bucks more. Do not buy these without controllers.
I would not claim that WMR headsets are or ever were the best there is in terms of VR hardware, but if you're just curious and want to get a taste of it and if you then want to casually play the occasional VR game, they are more than good enough for that.
Really important: DO NOT, under any circumstances, use the hinge to flip up the headset. The hinge is a weak point shared by all of these and it WILL break. Just take the entire headset off if you need to look around. Takes just as long and won't damage the fragile plastic hinge. Otherwise, these are very robust. I've smashed the controllers into walls, furniture and an unsuspecting family member without damaging them (and I've also bumped into stuff with the headset when I foolishly turned off boundaries - nothing happened).
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not on Windows anymore, but on the store page for the Oasis driver it says that it works through Ignition on Linux. I was actually considering the PSVR2 as an alternative, since I though WMR was completely dead, but I haven't researched much.
Thanks for the info, I wasn't up to date on Linux support.
I have no money for this but i'm just here for ARM Linux.
I'll cheerlead universal compatibility any day even if I have no reason to buy this myself. No new games means I don't care. I'm in the "been there, done that" group.
There's one VR game I'm interested in playing and that's https://github.com/Crementif/BotW-BetterVR
I don't think that alone worth $1500 before tax and shipping to Canada 😅
I tried with Index but my 12th i5 isn't good enough either so I'd need a new computer as well...looks outside ah, right.
Do you mean ARM Linux gaming more specifically? Because ARM Linux on its own has been around for a while, e.g. Raspberry Pi.
Yep that's what i meant, specifically SteamOS on ARM, which mean android handheld device might in the future comes with the option of linux instead of just android. Project like ArmadaOS already half way there.
I loved my Lenovo Explorer WMR headset. When everyone else struggled to get much beyond 1080, this was 2880x1440 in 90hz. It also had the dots for tracking on the controllers, with 2 cameras mounted so you didn't need room sensors. Beyond its time.
My 2x GTX670 SC 4GB in SLI ate every VR experience I threw a it!! I miss Pavlov VR, Assetto Corsa 2, and the freebie Steam game with mini stick figure people where you're an archer shooting other stick people protecting your castle!! 🥹
In case you still have it laying around, a former Microsoft engineer released a free driver to Steam that makes these usable again, despite Windows having dropped support. It'll get installed automatically the moment you connect it to your computer.
Can you tell me more, is this just for the Lenovo explorer, or other wmr headsets?
All of them. Here's the driver:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3824490/Oasis_Driver_for_Windows_Mixed_Reality/
Really the only downside is that Intel GPUs don't work. I modified the driver of my laptop's underpowered iGPU back in the day to get my Lenovo Explorer to work on it (just barely).
I do have it, it's boxed up. Thanks!!
Happy to help!
Hell yes! Nice to see a happy internet moment in the wild. Hope it works for you and game on friend.
the Frame includes an additional magnetic spacer for people with glasses
That was my main concern, so good to hear. Sounds like it'll easily fit 3rd party straps as well. I really prefer the halo type of head-strap as it takes pressure of my face, so I hope to be able to get one of those at some point.
Can also get prescription inserts from zenni, which is nice
I never considered glasses wearers and vr before. I wonder if you could simulate a prescription with vr tech...
I might even do that. Getting the lenses as close to your face as possible is an easy way to increase field of view
Its an open platform I'm excited to see what get created and all the 3Rd party addons
Everyone keeps evaluating this device as a standalone headset. Valve claims it is a "streaming-first" headset. Can we not get an according review? What's the battery life like while streaming?
Several reviews have mentioned that battery life is about an hour and a half. External batteries have to be the same class you would use for a laptop because the headset draws over 30W peak.
Yeah several reviews talk about battery life when running games locally but not when streaming, that was my entire point.
Gamers Nexus has a pretty comprehensive review that covers both streaming and standalone play. Battery life is not particularly favorable but overall the sentiment is positive.
Sure, as usual his video is over an hour long, is full of unnecessary testing, and goes off on various unrelated tangents. And I have to wait several weeks for the written version.
It's timestamped, skip to what you care about?
Edit: Here, I'll save you even that amount of effort. Battery Life Benchmarks (4 minutes, 30 seconds)
"This review is not comprehensive enough"
Handed review that is more comprehensive
"This review is too comprehensive and also I have to wait for an extra thing they do as a bonus"
Quite the take
Im being blocked by YouTube again...
Yeah it is double the cost of what it should be.
Probably. The Deck and Machine got 45% price hikes, no reason to assume the Frame was spared.
Eh? I expected it to be in roughly the same price range as the Index and I don't think that's unreasonable for a high-end device.
Unfortunately, 16 gigs of RAM (double that of the Quest 3) is not cheap right now.