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[–] darctones@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Median U-Turn (MUT) Intersection?

…and yes they are as confusing as they look.

[–] Frettchen@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

So a roundabout for Americans?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Already exists in better.

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 hours ago

This would gridlock so fast. Actually I think it would gridlock so incredibly hard that cars would end up abandoned after they ran out of gas from how long they were stuck.

[–] Luccus@feddit.org 9 points 12 hours ago

I assume the 'engineer' has never seen a road or drove a car, because even if we assume more infrastructure will solve induced demand, and even if everyone's going at a nice 30mph, this intersection is gonna go at like 3 accidents/minute.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 hours ago
[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 14 hours ago

Those 180° turns look way too tight for semi-trailer trucks. Even the vans are drifting there.

And all those single lanes, merging, and tight turns are a recipe for congestion.

A proper roundabout would work much better, waste less concrete, and probably take up less space.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

I used to commute an hour to work every day, each way, and the worst part was cross-merging traffic, exactly like there are 4 of in this design.

[–] xlf42@feddit.org 6 points 13 hours ago

Not even 10am yet and enough of car brain for the day 🤦‍♂️.

And yes I get it, some countries consider roundabouts (the ones used almost everywhere in the world) some black magic.

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 8 points 15 hours ago

This looks like hell...

It's only one lane of traffic either way and you've got to merge in and out of two separate traffic flows in a short distance just to go 'straight' through to the other side.

[–] randamumaki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 14 hours ago

This was obviously designed with the assumption that people know how to drive without getting in one another's way.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

That's just a big roundabout

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is just a flattened highway interchange.

Also, holy shit so many combination enter/exit lanes, so many potential points of high-velocity conflict!

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Exacrly my thought, those already exist and work wonderfully, why try to make them flat and 100 times more dangerous in the process?

[–] Ravenheart@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What do these folks have against roundabouts?

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

This is a roundabout. It's just three roundabouts that only connect two roads each.

[–] szakib@freeradical.zone 73 points 1 day ago (5 children)

@destructdisc LOL, this is like a very fucked up roundabout. It takes way more space and is way more dangerous.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

dude bro, we need to drive at 90 MILES PER HOUR AT ALL TIMES!

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[–] NewOldGuard@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Around my area we have combination highway on ramps and exits where the lane for getting on immediately becomes the next exit. They are incredibly stressful and dangerous given just a tiny bit of traffic, everybody is frantically trying to merge on and off a short strip and accidents happen all the time. This intersection turns the entire road into that design lmao, they're off their ass if they really think this design is any good

[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I know right, it's basically just a roundabout with added dangers.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah that was my first thought too. They have those where I live, they're usually like a quarter mile long but all of the action usually goes down in the first 100 feet or so, mega conflict zone.

[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Well this is a very roundabout way of getting places

[–] waldfee@feddit.org 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A very elaborate roundabout for sure

[–] Klear@piefed.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A very roundabout way of building one.

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This design is an abomination really, there'd be so many accidents around the merging, where the traffic streams effectively have to swap over.

Because, you know, cars and car infrastructure don't already take up massive amounts of space as is.

The only defence of this is that it would take LESS space than some kind of cloverleaf system. I think this whole design is trying to be space efficient whilst attemptign to keep traffic flowing (which it wouldn't do).

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Making it so most of the traffic is in a merging state is a really bad idea. So many accidents happen because of people changing lanes, and here a large part of the traffic needs to do that, plus has little space and time to do it in. I'd love to see this made in something like City Skylines, just to show how bad it gets (without the car accidents, though, unless newest versions also simulate that).

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[–] Naich@piefed.world 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

Bloody hell. So much merging and switching of lanes. There would broken bits of car everywhere. The only upside would be the ability of bikes to go past the gridlock that would happen at a certain density of traffic. Also, why do so many people in the animation need to U-turn?

[–] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 34 points 1 day ago

They need a U turn because they missed their exit at the previous insanely designed interchange

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Came to say the same thing. So many lane changes needed in a short distance. People suck at merging at the best of times. This is a panel beater's wet dream. That 'engineer' needs to go back to school.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is why engineers need to go outside and experience the real world like the rest of us.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've spent a fair proportion of my life around civil, structural, mechanical and process engineers, and found them to be some of the most pragmatic, sensible, intelligent and practical people you'll even meet. The shit they design needs to work, or people die. Whoever designed this is not one of those people.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

I've spent a fair portion of my professional career working for engineers of various types. The issue lies with the people who assume their intense knowledge of their chosen field of study means that they are experts in all fields of human existence. This pomposity leads to the stereotypical engineer who gets trapped into CAD models that don't translate to the real world and get belligerent when that gets pointed out. Certainly I've met engineers who aren't like that, but the stereotype exists for a reason. Perhaps it's Electrical engineers that are the worst? I meet a lot of them.

Retired school teachers are another problematic customer who knows more than any seasoned journeyman.

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[–] ijustliketrains@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That’s how you go left. Basically the same as a Michigan left.

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[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It’s wonderful yes but relies on people leaving space to allow zippering.

Unfortunately everyone is a bastard and goes bumper to bumper.

[–] eksb@programming.dev 31 points 1 day ago

This only works if drivers take the u-turns at full speed. The first driver slows down to 10 km/h for the u-turn, and the whole thing gets backed up to the point merging is impossible, and it becomes worse than a 4-way light.

[–] nehal3m@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago

Because fuck pedestrians, right?

[–] CactusEcho@piefed.social 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is just a roundabout with a way for drivers to bail out and turn around before entering the roundabout

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's also a roundabout with two 90 degree turns and a 180.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is not traffic free. This does not account for the vast majority of people who don't know how to drive or merge on a highway. This would fail every real world trial. It can be said there is some beauty in its arrogance though.

Edit: this is clearly (hopefully) satire given those U turns of death in the middle of a highway interchange that cannot be used by the one thing that needs it the most for this to be commercially viable: semi trucks.

Edit 2: I just noticed this isn't an interstate highway intersection but just your regular ol state road intersection. I ate the onion... I hope it was satire at least.

[–] AAA@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

It says traffic light-free.

[–] VelvetTinkerer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Seen from a traffic planning perspective, these lane changes alone would cause more incidents than 10% of drivers running a red light crossing.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago

This looks like something RealCivilEngineer would do for a bit, lol. I think I see a bit of the strongest shape in there.

[–] prex@aussie.zone 11 points 1 day ago

Thoughtful of them to provide extra U turns so that people approaching this monstrosity can nope the fuck out.

[–] DonGirses@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

looks to be firmly 'in theory'

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[–] november@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Why not just elevate one of the roads and have an exit/entrance for anyone who wants to switch? Having to turn right, merge, fucking u-turn, then immediately merge again just to GO STRAIGHT is the stupidest fucking thing.

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