It should be banned at every level of education, and in every government department, doctors office, hospital etc just for a start.
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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
Banned unless utility is proven.
Just utility? I can probably generate a bunch of school textbooks, fan fiction stories and children books with generative AI. Put them on some print on demand service and once some sorry soul is fooled and buys them, it's some utility. At least to me...
I think it's super involved to assess utility in a good way. Not even the large companies know whether AI coding makes their workforce more or less productive once everything is factored in. So, if it's the kind of utility they're looking for. And then there will be downsides so we gotta balance and weigh everything...
If you're putting it there as some impossible first step to do... Well done 😄
unfortunately school administrations are kinda interested in it because it artificially boosts stats which means they can get a bigger piece of the pie the next quarter
i just recently heard its use pervasively in some dental offices since 2024, and they often give hallucinated areas on a tooth leading to unneccesary procedures and costs, this is probably why it wont be diagnosing cancer anytime soon(because it will likely hallucinate a tumor more than not.
Let's also ban it for teachers who create educational materials. My kids receive and work with such materials and it's wrong so often and deeply, the teachers can't even explain how to solve problems.
As a teacher, I can't agree enough. I'm really tired of being handed slop from my coworkers, and then having to weigh the social implications of explaining to them how I know it is slop and why this particular case of slop is bad. The amount of energy I have to spend deconstructing their use of AI, and then translating and validating that deconstruction to them, doesn't match the effortlessness with which they pump out more slop and leave me frustrated that I have to do this every time.
Just ban it from use in elementary and secondary schools, please.
I'm an adult taking night classes at my local community college. I have two instructors (neither is technically a professor). One is my age, and she begs us not to use AI, as some of my classmates openly talk about using it. My other instructor is in her 60s and all of her assignments have little notes under the header that say "this worksheet was generated by copilot". It's baffling. My feedback at the end of the semester is always "this class was great, but I wish the assignments didn't use AI".
I understand the intention, but I'd argue high school is where its at the most corrosive. High school is where kids are forming their independent learning habits - we're already seeing the effects of AI becoming a crutch at this point in the game.
It makes even the smartest kids thick as pig shit because they start to depend on it, in the same way a lot our generation's handwriting went down the shitter because of computers.
in the same way a lot our generation's handwriting went down the shitter because of computers.
I'm not saying this because I'm a millennial but apparently we're the "last normal" generation because we didn't grow up as much with AI, social media and smartphones and tablet which does everything as we wish. Social media back then was for funsies, where your posts are for friends and family to cherish and not for the whole world to see. The smartphones only came later in our lives rather than thrust upon us when we were babies. Then of course, we didn't use AI until now. Millenials and the older folks have had to do most things ourselves.
The number of new nurses / doctors who auto-piloted their way through school is fucking staggering.
There're no checks, they just take ChatGPT's vomit at face value.
Then they start working, and they're just bad.
AI needs to be banned from education, period. Think with your own brain.
The fact that this phrase is revolutionary and newsworthy makes this world so dystopian that it's hard to believe.
Fucking hell. High school is where they start to learn to think for themselves the most.
Even more so, university students are truly becoming independent adults. Really, it should be banned for everyone, but that's not likely to happen.
Maybe we should take an example from Warhammer 40k, and just ban all "abominable intelligences.
Better the Butlerian Jihad from Dune!
The Butlerian Jihad went so far as to ban computers too. I don't think that'll be necessary.
A lot of adults have yet to learn this...
To be fair using it in primary school or earlier is probably the most damaging thing you could do to yourself with it
Maybe he didn't ban high school because 1. Kids with smartphones will be accessing it anyway, and if it's "banned" teachers will go 'well this can't have been written by AI because AI is banned in high school, yup!"
And 2. It might better facilitate them to giving lessons on the harms of AI
I don't get it.
Weren't schools telling children to "comply", just a few weeks ago?
I still remember having marks deducted in junior school for answering that the light does not turn on instantly after switching the button on.
You can go read on r/teachers (https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/Teachers) just how bad this shit is getting--both phone use, and AI use for assignments.
We seriously need to completely ban both phones and AI use in grade school. Back to pencil and paper, and "show your work". The kids coming out of high school now can barely read, beyond texting. It's frightening.
If you give a fuck about your kids, you'll make sure they can read and write, because the schools don't give a fuck about your kids.
Teachers give a fuck. Unfortunately we refuse to adequately fund schools and don't give teachers the latitude to teach.
One thing to promote literacy might be calm down about the sex, drugs and violence in books. I didn't have a single interesting assigned reading until Red Dragon in highschool.
A Time to Kill, great. Wish I read that instead of to kill a mockingbird.
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Hell, I think it's more important to ban it in high school.
The health of the nation requires a citizenry capable of critical thinking to draw upon to manage and direct the fate of the nation. Now, obviously, the wealthy don't want anyone but themselves to be capable of such a thing. So here we are.
I'm glad someone's trying to do anything at all about it. People asking "what about at home", it's the parents fault then. Actually be involved with your kids lives...they won't be in yours that long and it's not a sacrifice to sit down with them and watch them do homework or anything at all really.
Do you realize how many parents work two full-time jobs? A lot, especially single parents. It's not as simple as "spend more time with your kids" when every 'free' moment you have is spent driving, preparing food, or doing basic chores / hygiene routines.
I've worked many warehouse and similar jobs. There are a lot of parents who really love their children and express that by allowing themselves to be economically exploited every single minute of their life to guarantee their children a better future.
Sure, there are also parents who just don't give a shit and park their kids on an iPad, but that has always been the case in one form or another. The trend where even caring parents are unable to spend enough time with their children is a consequence of a society-wide failure and the shameless embrace of capitalism.
Mamdani is giving me major mayor dysmorphia.
It's a start.
I’ve asked this else where. Don’t get me wrong here, I agree with this and think it’s great. But how are they going to police this? Yes there are the ai bots to check for ai usage. But that only goes so far.
Honestly, a big step is blocking/not enabling it on school computers.
Like, a lot of schools with one-to-one Chromebooks have Gemini or whatever just completely bundled and integrated.
I mean... "Sit in this room with a pen and a piece of paper until your thoughts are on that paper. If we see you pull out your cell phone, we're taking it away." is pretty effective.
They should ban that shit until you graduate college.the kids who are nerds will always figure out a way. The rest who are not into computers and such definitely should stay the fuck away. If you're not careful you'll become a zombie that works to pay for access to his brains as a rental subscription.
That's just so messed up. It should not just be banned but down right illegal to sell an AI subscription if the data used was stolen from the public in the first place.
