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Google has decided to rename Lake Ontario in the US. Please uninstall Google Maps.

While I understand they’re pulling data from the US government, they have no actual legal obligation to comply. This is entirely a choice an executive at Google made.

Did you know: When you click a link on Google and then go there Google tracks your location and links it to all your ads. This feature is called Local Search Ads, and you can hit Google’s pocketbook directly in protest by not having Google Maps installed.

When you have Google Maps installed Google is always tracking you. That tracking data feeds into a lot of products: things like mapping cell and wifi networks to geolocations, ads, recaptcha, search, and more. Google stores a profile of who you are, where you live, where you work, who you visit, etc.

If uninstalling is too much for you go to your Google account and disable Location History in privacy settings. Alternatively, click your user profile icon and turn on incognito mode, which disabled tracking and other features.

This will reduce the data linked to your profile (though, in reality, there’s no assurance this does anything, like when that disabled Nest camera was used by the FBI last year).

Browsing without an account does not have the effect. If you simply log out you have no privacy limitations enabled.

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[–] daveyOsborn@infosec.pub 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

PSA: one way to boycott #GoogleMaps is to append your SSID with _nomap. This opts out of Google using your access point for navigation.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TIL, thank you!

What a shitty solution though… I hate this “opt out of invisible thing nobody notified you of” bullshit.

[–] daveyOsborn@infosec.pub 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I should also mention if you boycott Apple (thus Apple’s maps), the SSID must end with _optout. If you want to boycott both Apple and Google, Google’s optout tag must be at the end of the SSID and Apple’s optout tag can only be followed by Google’s optout tag. So something like foo_optout_nomap. At least that’s my understanding.

(edit) FWiW, I’ll cite the source for Google if anyone is interested. AFAIK, Apple’s opt-out flag is just a rumor.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Pure insanity.

[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 44 points 2 days ago (8 children)

if you want people to quit something, you better offer alternatives.

  • OSM (OpenStreetMap https://openstreetmap.org/ ) is a good candidate but it lacks some essential features, including satellite view and public transport routing.
[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Live traffic updates is a big one that all the foss alternatives are missing.

True. I'm using CoMaps wherever I can and switch to Here we go when I need live traffic updates.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago

OsmAnd which is OSM-based has both satellite view (which you can also save for offline viewing if needed) and primitive public transport (good enough for dense cities with rapid transit). It's not easy to set up and get used to but if you're ok with computers, give it a spin.

Otherwise there's mapy, which also has those features but is much easier to use and more polished. Not FOSS though.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I tried OsmAnd in the past, I paid for it and it's still installed in my phone, but I keep going back to Google Maps for "default" maps. OsmAnd is missing the Cycle Map layer of openstreetmaps.org and is not super useful in my case. And we all know Google Maps is very bad for cycling too, but it's good at finding places, so I just make my own route instead of using the four lane artery it suggested me to cycle on.

The exception is when I'm hiking or walking long distances and need to find/record my position on a map, relative to a pedestrian path or hiking trail. For this I've always used AlpineQuest. I don't know if it's made by Americans though. AlpineQuest also has the Cycle Map layer, so it's my second favourite map app, but I mainly use it when I'm in a big park, or not in a city.

Still, openstreetmaps.org with the Cycle Map layer is wonderful for planning cycling and hiking routes by yourself. Unfortunately it's just absolutely bad at making any kind of route by itself.

I've just heard about CoMaps recently. I also don't know if it's mainly American, but it's open source, community driven, and based on OSM data, which is important. It has adresses and seems like a promising alternative to Google Maps for my "default" searches, so I'm going to give it a try. However it's just an app and there doesn't seem to be a simple website matching the mobile experience, so I'm kind of guessing that I won't try it for long.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

CoMaps is missing so much information in my area and only navigates you to the address block if done by address. Also navigating by address means I'd have to find the address of the place first probably in Google maps and then put it in.

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[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

I can't seem to click on any icons for information on the browser. I'm not expecting reviews of stores, but it'd be nice to be able to see the name and address. Am I doing something wrong?

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 52 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Here’s Google’s blog post on how they’re fecklessly obeying

https://blog.google/products-and-platforms/products/maps/gnis-lake-ontario-lake-america-name-change/

Remember, if they do this, what else are they surrendering to the US administration?

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

While I haven't looked into it, OSM might also have a discussion up about adding the "lake america" label as a regional alternative name. They did that for a previous trump tantrum too.

However, I find that my feelings towards each organization depend on the intent behind the action. When OSM adds that label, it's being done for cartographic reasons and I don't mind that. When Google does it, especially this quickly, it feels like it's being done for appeasement reasons.

Also with Google, everyone in the US sees that name. Whereas with OSM, you would be choosing to use the trump tantrum labels.

[–] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Just degoogle entirely. There were plenty of reason to do so already.

[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I've been using OSMAnd for a while now. Having locally download maps is pretty nice imo. It also has better directions imo, showing the lane to use, the street name or exit, and even shoes the bext upcoming direction. I've had google just say "take the next exit."

It doesn't have traffic data, but that makes sense, so no updated detours if there's roadwork or rush hour, etc. Unless I'm just new and don't know how to add that yet haha. But I believe this is a big one for most foss alternatives.

~~Another one is that I can't set it as a default response when in browser so clicking "directions" from a search won't prompt OSM. Just have to manually add the address.~~

Small update: I just learned about GeoShare. It can redirect google map link coordinates from a browser directly to your map of choice (OSMAnd, CoMaps, etc)

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I wonder how hard it would be to make traffic tracking in an OSM map app.

Obviously you need a backend, but the app Transit does a good job demonstrating that you only need a few people in an area reporting location to set time estimates.

Traffic correlates with people, so it’s easier to get critical mass than you’d think.

Construction is still the hard problem.

[–] mutemule@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Magic Earth provides traffic services. It is a yearly subscription, but it is already available.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As a side note, the funniest possible reaction that Canada could have here would be to rename Lake Michigan to Lake Inferior

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Rename the other 4 lakes some variation of "Lake Legal Adult Citizen," so that the pedofile won't touch them.

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[–] TRock@feddit.dk 28 points 2 days ago (4 children)

My first impression with CoMaps: Wow!

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Same, it’s nice, I like that the maps are offline… Google and Apple both have had me driving through stretches of white background because they don’t even bother to download your route.

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[–] cts@midwest.social 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Maybe I did something wrong but I used Comaps to go to a very big, very clearly marked government building and it directed me like, two blocks over even though the address was right. Any thoughts on that? Should I just use it more? This specific example was downtown in a very big US city, so maybe that's part of it?

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[–] JaceTheGamerDesigner@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Use HERE We Go as an alternative.

It's based in Germany.

[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

https://wego.here.com/

loads very slowly for me. lots of people checking it out rn?

otherwise seems to work fine for me.

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

People didn't bother when The Gulf Of Mexico was changed, and that ones displayed globaly.

Lake Ontario is only displayed as Lake America in America. Canadian's still see Lake Ontario, and the rest of the world sees both (though I've not seen a screenshot of both displayed yet, besides in this article)

I doubt very many people will care enough to change habbits.


That said, I've been slowly transitioning to Organic Maps, which uses OpenStreetMap data. Just as part of a general 'fuck America and it's products'

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago

This is one of those “the second best time to plant a tree is today” situations for me.

[–] Solomon@piefed.ca 9 points 2 days ago

People didn’t bother when The Gulf Of Mexico was changed, and that ones displayed globaly.

Really? https://lemmy.ca/post/39089906

I doubt very many people will care enough to change habbits.

Many might but likely not the majority of people, its still good to encourage so why downplay on a post trying to achieve that?

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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

why doesn't china just make an official proclamation declaring taiwan and hong kong are chinese territories? by this logic, google would have to rename it.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago

Most of the world recognizes that China already owns Taiwan.

The main countries that don't are USA and Israel

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I mean Taiwan is much more complicated then people want to admit, cause they like simple black and white situations. And the China Taiwan issue is anything but that.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

They'll only rename geography when it's uncomplicated and simply wrong.

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 4 points 2 days ago

In what way is Hong Kong not a Chinese territory? Did someone sleep through the 1997 handover?

[–] Mataresian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

Google is already kinda not available in china

[–] djmikeale@feddit.dk 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What service would you recommend I use instead? I use it a lot for restaurants and pathfinding on bicycle in Copenhagen

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Comaps seems pretty good and is widely suggested, it has an outdoor mode which might go well with your cycling (including height contour lines)

I’ve used Apple Maps for a long time

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I also came here to recommend CoMaps. It's an offline map service (you download the regional maps you need) and they're privacy-focused. I installed it through F-Droid, just to further avoid Google and their Play Store.

CoMaps uses data from OpenStreetMap, so it's community-driven content. Missing information on the map? Go add it on OpenStreetMap and it'll eventually populate on CoMaps. As well as other public maps.

I noticed my quiet countryside neighborhood didn't exist on any maps, which made receiving mail/deliveries tricky (my neighbors regularly received my packages, and vice versa). So I added the streets and houses in my neighborhood to OpenStreetMap and now my neighborhood pops up on Google and Bing maps. Haven't had a delivery issue since!

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[–] Blurstoftimes@feddit.online 5 points 2 days ago

I already changed from Google Maps. I think if you are using google fiber now would be the time to find a new provider. There are probably local isp alternatives in your area.

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