Please can you people just try to be kind to each other for one fucking thread
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She says that many customers "are pleasantly surprised when they realise they don't have to tip 20% on top".
Maybe I'm too fucking european for this but 20 fucking percent? TWENTY PERCENT? That's being written in this article as normal tipping? Wtf?
They keep raising it because no one knows how math works. Used to be solidly 15% and then mass inflation happened and people think the 15% tip amount doesn't go up with the increased restaurant prices somehow.
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20% is the standard now, sometimes people tip more or less
When I was a kid the standard tip was 15%, not sure when/why it changed
Things got more expensive, pay didn’t go up
The millennial and zoomer generations are more appreciative of service workers, often being them themselves and not thinking of them as "starter jobs" and "ingrates" like so many boomers do.
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Yes that's normal
yanks are absolutely unhinged
And that shit is just getting imported with yank technology. Have seen quite a few card payment things in the last couple years ask me wether I want to tip 15, 20, or 25%. Often at self service places where tipping is not really a thing.
being asked to tip at a self-service checkout lmao
It’s been a thing for years here in 
15 or 20 has been the norm for my entire adult life.
And this reaction was why I was VERY quickly used to British tourists either tipping nothing or giving me literally a dollar when I served tables and did room service at an international restaurant
something unique about the British apparently given every other European nationality would tip appropriately
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20%(or any % for that matter) not listed on the menu(even if alongside the price sans tax) is crazy
And another thing 'sales tax' why not list the actual price you'll pay on the item? is it a scam for people who are like 'I can afford this' without doing the calculation, then when they get to the register and realise its more than they can afford they get shamed into wasting their money?
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"central to US dining culture" aka "central to small business tyrant exploitation".
Great to hear that they're paying their servers a living wage and they don't need the tips to survive anymore! 
I mean, $40 / h for waitstaff sounds OK, no? That's 80k per year if working full-time.
Yes although the article is discussing a restaraunt in the most expensive city in the US, but $40/hr would be just fine if they would allow proper urban development (to lower/ stabilize housing prices)
60k after tax. Sounds manageable even if half of that is rent.
But then again that's just the highest pay mentioned in the article. The other tipfree Californian restaurant pays just $21
$21 per hour and no tips sounds much worse. IIUC minimum wage for fast-food workers in California is $20 per hour, so basically you get paid minimum wage and can't take any tips. Awful
One underemphasized point is that normalized tipping is actually about having customers monitor and evaluate employees and what their wages should be. Similar to how the normalization of receipts became about ensuring that employees working counters could be held accountable to customers, the customers taking in the role of surveillance.
Rather than a form for worker solidarity, tipping culture has been appropriated by capital and turned into a means by which to put a manager's job onto customers, discipline labor, and drive down overall labor costs.
Of course you can't be a Trotsky and undo tipping culture by just not individually tipping, but it should go on the list of things to abolish.
Sounds good overall?
I think it's weird that it takes banning tips to pay staff fair wages.
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Tip culture is bad because it drives down wages. We should seek to abolish tipping and raise wages directly but until it is abolished, folks should tip well when it is expected and otherwise avoid going places where they are expected to tip. Don’t be a 
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tipping discourse thread
- tipping is good because it's workers directly supporting workers
- tipping is bad because business owners use their customers to subsidize their lack of wages
- servers are kulaks of restaurants
- tipping is a legacy of slavery and jim crow
What'd I miss?
You missed
I don’t know how it is for others but 20% is considered the bare minimum lest you want them to spit in your food. The real expectation is that you pay over 100%, since you’re going out to eat and therefore must be fucking loaded. 20%? You are there to wine and dine the server and make them feel welcome in your presence.
I'm trying to add math illiteracy to the discourse too. Note that.
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One thing I think about is that you would think since US restaurant owners essentially don’t pay their workers, the food would be cheaper, but generally speaking I don’t think there’s much of a difference. I know the restaurant industry has tight margins for owners (I don’t care), but I assume that all US business owners are very bad at what they do and extremely greedy, with restaurant owners being basically the perfect storm for bad at what they do and extremely greedy.
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Is this another u.s. problem who they think us universal, like lack of public universal healthcare and school shooting prevent technology
ah always love a tipping discourse thread on chapo dot chat
This is common sense on a rational system. Current system is all about controll based on neoslavery
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