oh my god AGAIN?!
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I like a distro with problems that I can relate to.
Bad memory/routines? We have to be related. Since that feels like me.
HOW THE FUCK DID THEY MANAGE IT AGAIN
They managed this again by not actually managing it... again.
They have embraced the meme
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some iconic duos in the Linux community: Arch and AUR malware, Ubuntu and bad updates, NixOS and community/team members leaving, Manjaro and failing to renew its cert.
Welcome to Linux, do you want the BenevolentDictatorOS, WeaponsManifaturerOS, MalwareOS or Debian?
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Ubuntu and bad updates
This is the only drama in your list I'm not familiar with already. What/when did they last break?
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you forgot the oldest of them all, Debian and the its museum, their repos
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The funniest thing about this is that it needs a single Bash script and a cronjob to solve (unless they got a REALLY bad hoster).
That bash script probably exists a bazillion times already⦠so even an LLM could spit it out for them.
Their organisational structure must be abhorrent for nobody to feel even remotely responsible for this.
Most web server have ACME support built-in nowadays, setup is a matter of minutes, no scripting required. This has been a solved problem for years, any sysadmin who can't handle this basic task has no business running public-facing servers.
Yeah, caddy automatically renews certs by default, as does traefik as far as i can tell, and certbot installs a timer for this.
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Manjaro once again demonstrating they're not a serious distro/project, hahaha
At this point, it's a tradition!
Again????? Again???????????
BINGO!
In fact I got a full 5x5 card of bingo because I wrote "Manjaro doesn't renew its cert" in all of the boxes.
Iβm shocked it even has any users tbh.
Well, Manjaro popped up when a lot of people cannot install Arch on their own. Same thing with Ubuntu and Debian. Once a userbase formed, people follow suit I guess.
I mean they have their own repos and take a position of "hardened updates" that are two weeks older than the bleeding edge ones of Arch. I used it briefly out of curiosity a couple years ago. It seemed generally fine, although I seem to remember having issues with some AUR stuff. That's kinda to be expected and could even just be general fuckery on the part of the package maintainers, not manjaro. It could also be on manjaro's fault lol.
I've just stuck to Arch since then. Garuda and endeavour OS are both cool but I don't feel like I'm gaining much by using either. And Garuda includes a bunch of packages that I don't even want.
I'm more interested in what manjaro can do in the mobile phone sphere. If they can build something viable yet fun to tinker with in the next few years that has a rolling release schedule, it could make for a cool Linux phone. Ubuntu touch is probably the more stable choice tbh, but that's the beauty of Linux.
Manjaro was more unstable than Arch ever was, for me.
My experience was:
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They would mess with Arch packages and muck things up.
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It relied on AUR some, which also messed things up.
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3rd party repos or AUR didn't work, as its not in sync with upstream arch.
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...Holding back packages didn't fix anything anyway. It just delayed fixes. I found myself trying to install upstream Arch packages.
It turns out Arch Linux is more tested and "held back" than people give it credit for. There's little to gain from forking like that, instead of just contributing to upstream arch testing.
Not to mention the cert thing. Manjaro really did let certs expire many times. When I was new to linux, that took me forever to figure out.
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It was part of my linux journey long ago, and TBH I bet many still run into in from historical recommendations and popularity.
But I think CachyOS is taking over their "preconfigured arch with the most SEO" spot.
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A little stability and consistency in the world, manjaro always delivers when it comes to this.
Why isnβt this an automated processs for them?
Why isn't it for everyone? How often I see this with, I mean, major actors is head shakingly baffling.
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Why isnβt this an automated processs for them?
Because manjaro.org is controlled personally by Phil, the CEO of the company, who's paranoid about letting anybody else handle it. And also can't figure out how to renew automatically, apparently. People have to remind him on Discord. π€¦
Everything else *.manjaro.org (forums, mirrors etc.) is handled by different people and have never expired afaik.
It's literally just the main webpage that has this problem, everything else about the distro is never impacted.
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Like, when you... "get" the certificate... Doesn't it say... "on it" exactly which date it expires? So maybe set a thing in your calendar or an alarm on your phone or some shit? How hard can this be?
LetsEncrypt also gives you a month to update certificate, you don't even have to do it yourself, just run a script once a week in cron. That's such a level of incompetence I wonder why anyone will trust them with a distro when they can't even do such a simple task.
yes, but the people who want to implement that are held back and sabotaged by the guy who owns the shit. this is not about incompetence.
Dunno... Lack of collaboration skills in a Linux distro seems a lot like incompetence to me...
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This is literally why I stopped using Manjaro.
Iβve botched 2 Manjaro installs just doing a pacman -Syu while their certs were expired and I ended up with an incomplete upgrade.
Never once had this issue with EndeavorOS.
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Seems fine for me now. In fact it looks like they switched to Let's Encrypt for certification so maybe they learned something from last time.
Perhaps the looming prospect of having to do it every 47 days was enough.
Wait, again?
Holy shit this is so stupid I can't defend them anymore ππ
Yep... Validation of my decision to cachyos after my last drive needed surgery.
just install certbot + a daily cron
I think the Manjaro devs can't read. Could you mime it?
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Is there a running tally somehwere? I need something like the credible defense guys' "0 days since airplane dropped in oceans"
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We're gonna sse the year of the linux desktop long before we see the year of default ACME lmao
I thought the devs were supposed to be taking back the project. I'm guessing that didn't happen.
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Floorp sounds like an alien or galaxy from Rick and Morty
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