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[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

When are people going to learn that exports aren't even good. The export market just gets a lot of play in politics because of concentrated interests. Exporters lobby. Politicans present arguments to justify what they are doing for exporters. That becomes political rhetoric. Generations later people actually believe it.

Countries with high exports don't have a great quality of life. Exports don't improve the quality of life people living there. It increases work and lowers real wages as often as not. It just makes exporter's rich. Did British people actually benefit from the opium wars? Do Chinese workers have physical prosperity matching their level of productivity?

Exporters have convinced countries that money is more valuable than goods. Countries print money.

This is why the tariffs don't actually hurt Canada but are just a self-own for the US. It hurts Canadian exporters. But who cares. Now Canadians get to enjoy those products. If a few jobs are lost momentarily, they are replaced by jobs serving the domestic market.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 hours ago

We learned in Trump 1.0 that he is extremely isolationist and wants to cut the US off from the world like it's North Korea.

The way an abusive spouse cuts their partner off from all other social contacts.

The way FOX News encourages its viewership to stop watching all other media sources so they're in an information silo.

And the US voted for him again, because we vote based on vibes and bigotry. Because we have forgotten our civic duty to vote responsibly. Because we are suckers for lying confidence men who make ridiculous promises.

So the US is due for more than a bit of harsh finding out. We should have learned after George W. Bush. We didn't and FA'd. (Effed A?)

Anyhow a lot of Americans have cut off their MAGA relatives and neighbors. It is no surprise at all that Canada — and the entire international community — might do the same.

I'm skeptical the US is going to survive to the November election, much less the new Congress in January.

[–] Worstdriver@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Only one nation has ever invaded Canada, and we taught them the error of their ways. If necessary, we will teach them that lesson again.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We could go to war and there would still be people in both countries completely fucking oblivious

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Nope. Americans are used to having wars on the other side of an ocean. Those are wars you can be oblivious of. When drones are buzzing overhead and you see smoke rising from the strategic targets in your city, you can't drive to work because the bridge was taken down and there's military checkpoints everywhere asking to see your papers to prove you aren't Canadian? I think Americans will notice that.

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Depends where you hit

[–] Worstdriver@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

True, there are idiots everywhere. Btw, if you have never done so, I highly recommend Pierre Burton's two part book series on the War of 1812.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 39 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

In a way, as a Canadian, I’m glad for Trump for two reasons. One, we hated him so much that the conservative candidate in our federal election lost what should have been the easiest conservative win of my lifetime because he threw in support behind trump. And two, we are finally diversifying our economy away from that volatile ass country.

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

gotta say i agree, and while I realize Carney is just another 2008 conservative, at the very least he is competent.

that being said, do you think we are headed for an orange official opp considering PP's dwindling popularity with Lewis' growing popularity (considering the orange who kept their seats were partcularly progressive)

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 hours ago

An old friend of mine from university was recently in New York with her kids and posted pics of Central Park on Facebook. And I wondered how fucking oblivious is she

[–] UnequalExchange@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

both settler colonial states at the end of the day....

[–] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 70 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] xavier666@lemmy.umucat.day 1 points 4 minutes ago

I love cobra chickens! Very representative of Canada.

[–] Redvenom@retrolemmy.com 15 points 9 hours ago

The art of the deal

[–] Lanske@lemmy.world 74 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

The whole earth should boycott the Yanks

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 30 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The country should be sanctioned out of existence.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 23 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Plus their little pal Israel. I saw a meme making a case for the biblical ark being built in North America. Perhaps we could convince Bibi and his cronies Israel should actually be in the American Midwest. We'll see how many Yanks support Zionism when so-called 'settlers' are killing their neighbors and taking their homes.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 hours ago

Yeah it would be great if all the hateful people in the world just went to the US.

So when are you moving there?

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

Yeah buddy, they're one and the same.

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[–] huquad@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

America: I'm bleeding making me the victor

[–] boonhet@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago

'Tis but a scratch!

[–] TimboSlice@discuss.online 8 points 8 hours ago

I wish I could export myself to Canada permanently

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

You don't understand it is 5D chess

[–] Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

By playing checkers against your opponent and scamming as much money as possible from your pawns?

[–] MML@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

They prefer to be called kings, despite never reaching the back row.

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 3 points 6 hours ago

if you move your pawns to the end of the board and then move them up in the z-axis, you have successfully extracted tariffs from them.

[–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 7 points 8 hours ago

My brain broke a little bit your statement was so stupid. So, unfortunately, I'm sure you're 100% correct.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 8 hours ago

Why trade with Canada when we can just start a war?

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 18 points 12 hours ago

That's what I would do if I where there. I'm in the Pacific Northwest and we feel the tourism squeeze here. I don't care. You can't insult your closest friend and bully them. I want the US to suffer the consequences, for a good amount of time, so every idiot is aware of the reasons for their pain. Not to mention Canada is beautiful. I could vacation at Banff or even in the far east for the rest of my life and be fine, you guys will be fine and even happier spending money to support your own countrymen.

[–] mrmisses@lemmy.world 131 points 16 hours ago

Trump: this is Obama's fault. Republicans: I knew it

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 65 points 15 hours ago (16 children)

Love this but i'll bet Facebook/insta/Amazon/apple/etc are as popular as ever in Canada.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 hours ago

That's what happens when companies illegally leverage their monopolies to extinguish any competition.

[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 62 points 15 hours ago (7 children)
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[–] imvii@lemmy.ca 21 points 13 hours ago

Can we do export tariffs on potash now? I think an extra 30% is reasonable.

[–] Talaraine@fedia.io 25 points 13 hours ago

I'm an American who didn't vote for trump and none of this is my fault.....but fuck it make it hurt harder daddy, we deserve it uwu

[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago

I cannot wait for trump to shit himself to death. Or at least fall down and hit his big fucking orange face.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 43 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Well, most Canadians. I gotta say, maybe not surprised, but definitely irked that Carney is trying to encourage Canadians to put US liquor back on the shelves.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 hours ago

I think he's trying to encourage the premiers to allow US brands back onto the store shelves.

If that were enough to make a deal, it wouldn't be awful. I think a lot of Canadians wouldn't buy the liquor if it was back on store shelves, so it might not change much.

It could be a good negotiating tactic, because the Americans might think that it meant that the revenue for US alcohol companies might start flowing again, when in reality it just puts it directly in the hands of Canadian buyers, rather than in the hands of the Premiers.

What's more annoying to me is that Carney is going to go with counter-tariffs. That just means that if Canadians choose to buy American products they have to pay more. And, since the US is so monstrously huge, in many cases there aren't alternatives to American products.

What I think they should be doing instead is investigating American companies for antitrust, allowing Canadians to circumvent DRM to do things like install alternative app stores to deprive Apple / Google of revenue, allow Canadians to work around printer ink restrictions to use any ink they want, allow Canadian farmers to repair their own tractors without John Deere's approval, etc.

Instead of raising Canadians' costs, deprive American companies of the unfair IP rules that they use to make massive profits. Those rules were forced on Canada in exchange for the US agreeing to barrier-free access to the American market for Canada. If the US is withdrawing from their own trade deals, then Canada shouldn't feel obliged to uphold its obligations under those deals either.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

My best guess for what happened where some of the details leaked Friday were palatable, and Provinces removing bans, while (as Manitoba) said "please don't buy any of their shit", was Provinces technically okaying the deal, as long as there were loopholes like bad prices.

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[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

We are all Canada.

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