Sure, go ahead irritating me when trying to use your service. Pushing me to log-in is THE way to drive me to other services. They have nothing to offer that's worth/can justify logging in. nothing.
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They probably don't care if you use a different service if you don't log in to use theirs. If you don't log in they can't easily monetize you by tracking your data and building a portfolio. Otherwise you use their resources at a cost and they don't make money.
So threatening to leave for other services isn't exactly a threat.
For a long time google existed without an option to create an account
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They still know who most users are even without a google login; they can monetize just fine.
They don't care, but in 10 to 20 years time they will hire consultants to figure out why their user base chose inferior products to their superior free service.
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I work in 911 dispatch, we're not really supposed to log into our personal accounts on the work computers, there have been a couple incidents (not specifically in the 911 center but other parts of our county government) where people have gotten viruses and such from opening links in their personal emails on county computers.
A lot of us in dispatch make pretty heavy use of Google maps. When a caller doesn't know where they are and we're not getting a good location from their cellphone, we can sometimes see a lot of details on Google maps that we can't see on the maps on our dispatch software.
There have been a couple times a caller has described a house to me and a general area that it was in but not the exact address, but I was able to get that address from looking around on satellite view and street view.
Sometimes we can see businesses and other places on it that aren't in our system or come up as something slightly different, like maybe everyone calls a school "the Smith School," but the actual name of it, and how it's listed in our system is the "John Q Smith Preparatory Academy" so if I search in our system for "Smith School" I won't find it, but if I look on Google maps I might see that pop up.
There's cases where like if the call is on the border between 2 towns and I need know which department to dispatch, I can look on maps for little landmarks that probably wouldn't be listed in any map software so that I can ask something like "are you on the same side of the road as the house with a big statue on the front lawn, or are you across the street from that house?"
Point is, it's a very valuable tool for my job in situations that can actually be life-and-death sometimes, and since I can't log in to it at work, I worry about getting shut out from features I use or even out of the service entirely.
Up here in Canada, most of our dispatch services use google maps within the primary system as the base map layer with an option to launch our system on the software's own cartography as backup but those maps are fairly out of date for the most part.
Beyond that, we have a provincially run platform that is actually even more up to date than Google Maps (and includes way more info, one good example is it gives us every single transformer and power pole across the province). That software gives us numerous base layer options, including Google Maps, satellite, and OpenStreenMaps. Most operators prefer the OSM base layer but having the option to switch rapidly to compare which is more detailed in a given area is so valuable.
That is a point you need to bring up in your official capacity with the 911 dispatch you work for. Tell them what is going on and ask for a system account to be set up for each agent so that it’s just a formal login that is tied to the job and nothing else.
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There's OpenStreetMap. I'm not saying that it's as suitable as Google Maps for you, but it's a possible option.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/
The're not a commercial service, and the database backing it is freely distributable, so it won't get cut off.
It doesn't have Google Street View, though, and attempts at reimplementing such a thing have been pretry weak.
I have tried open street maps it didn't even have my address correct. It was absolute trash. There are very few things that actually work and work well when you need them to work. I would never trust that service to work well. It relies far too much on individuals to fix everything wrong with it. I had to submit my correct address to it which took several weeks to correct. And that's just one address that I looked at that's a standard address no big deal shows correct on every other map out there but if I were trying to rely on that for life-saving services hell no.
I agree with all your points. Just wanted to add that for bicycling, the OsmAnd app is superior to Google Maps, simply because the Google Map app doesn't honor modified routes.
On the desktop, Google Maps lets you map bicycle directions, but they're dangerously bad. Dangerous routes when it could have preferred a bike route or greenway, not understanding that sometimes you have to become a pedestrian for a few feet and use a crosswalk, or cross a patch of dirt, etc. And you have to force it into a safer route by adding the "drag to change route" dots and dragging them to the roads it should have used. However, if you share that route URL with the Google Maps app, it ignores all the changes and reverts to the bad route.
So instead I have to put that URL into GPS Visualizer and convert it to a GPX which OsmAnd honors. There are other GPX conversion websites too, but I've noticed subtle changes to my route when I was using those other sites.
All this could be avoided if the Google Maps app would just honor the desktop URLs, but it's been this way for years so I doubt it will ever happen.
EDIT: fixed the link
The service is as good as the community who updates it. The more people using, the better it becomes. Be the change you want to see.
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Next gen911 is going to fix this I work for county making the maps for Newworld or whatever dispatch system you’re using. Soon the whole county will be running on NG911. You can look it up but it basically replaces using the old lookup your system currently uses that comes from a master list Verizon and att own.
I really don't see how NG911 is going to help when all my callers can tell me sometimes is something like that they're near some trees, a big rock, and a brick wall. That's not exactly something I can punch into my CAD. Or when it's a 3rd party caller for their grandmother in a different town who needs help, but all they can give me is that it's a big yellow house about 2 blocks from the elementary school with a statue of a cow on the front lawn.
There's a lot of cool things that NG911 can help with, some of it is already implemented in my county, but they're largely not the things I use Google maps for.
Because you’re not trained on it yet. New world sucks and so does the ally list from the phone companies. This is based on geospatial information and has been proven and is active in some counties working better and more efficiently. Everything you said is exactly what every dispatcher says when they get new tech you’re afraid to learn something new that’s better.
Those are the vibes you're giving now. How about you actually try to explain how NG911 is gonna help with those scenarios I gave, because I don't see any way the technologies involved that I've been told about are going to save me from having to manually look around on Google maps (or similar kind of service) to figure out where I need to enter a call.
Sure, I suppose they'll be able to send me a picture or a video, instead of trying to describe it to me, but I'm still going to need to match that up to the real world somehow.
And sure, maybe our location data will be a bit better, but if they're driving 5 minutes before pulling over to call, that location data won't tell me what side of the road they were on when the accident actually happened.
I don’t have to because you obviously are one of the dispatchers who’s going to bitch and complain about every single point. And you’re also grossly underestimating how impactful this is. I’m a geospatial information scientist this is currently being established in the NE right now and it is helping better than old world systems. I’m not going to explain to you my job when there’s federal guidelines showing how this will be impactful. Go educate yourself I already got my degrees.
You're a fucking corporation stooge who's huffing your own farts.
There's a lot of places where ng911 is going to be very helpful, this isn't one of them and if you had any actual confidence that it would be helpful I this situation you'd be singing it's fucking praises explaining how.
https://www.911.gov/issues/ng911/ Here you go. Now learn. It works better and I don’t have time to explain my whole fucking degree to a phone answerer when you just need to know it works better pick up the fucking phone.
Someone’s pissed off they have to do a new job and refuses to read documentation which is my proof. I don’t see why I’d have to re type it out for you to understand. Also I don’t work for a corporation I work for the government and this is live already and works better. If you want to know more about that you can read the fucking documentation you uneducated phone call taker. Go back to just picking up a fucking phone and leave the actual decision to people with degrees because we know what we’re doing because we fucking read. I’d be surprised if you could name me 10 books in person you read this year.
And not a damn part of that has anything that would keep me from having to look around on Google maps or something similar trying to match up a vague description of a location that my caller may not even be at to something that I can enter into our system.
For someone so hung up on reading, you're really fucking bad at comprehend what the issue is that I'm describing.
Sure, I may getter more accurate location info, maybe even good enough to tell what side of the street my caller is on now, but I'm still going to need to figure out what side of the road they were on when an incident actually happened to figure out jurisdiction, because they may have turned around, pulled over 2 blocks away, turned I to a parking lot across the street, or waited 6 hours and went home before calling.
So one way or another I'm going to need to look for landmarks on a map or something like Google street view that my caller will recognize and get them to describe where they were in relation to those landmarks.
And sure they'll be able send me pictures or video call me to show me where they're talking about. If it's live video that combined with location data while they're still on-scene that would certainly be great, but otherwise I'm still gonna have to be hunting around on a map trying to figure out which of the 6 Sunoco gas stations in town they sent me a picture of.
And they can text me, which is something we've had in my county for a while. Great for people who aren't able to talk for one reason or another, but not exactly a dramatic upgrade over asking the same questions and getting the same answers verbally
PSAP registries, better interoperability with other PSAPs, etc. is nice, but totally besides the issue here. Both sides of the border could be departments we dispatch for and I just need to know which one to send
And better address lists, ALI info, phone records and such are nice, but if they're not at their home address, they don't know the name of the business they're calling about, and all they can give me is that it happened "in the park with a statue that looks like a dick" or "that vacant lot where Bob's Deli used to be" (Bob's Deli, as it turns out, burned down in 1983) none of that is particularly helpful.
Again, there are really good use cases for NG911, and I'M not denying that. Every day I find some circumstance where I'd love to have those promised capabilities that are allegedly just around the corner for us.
But none of them solve this problem.
And you've been sold on the idea that ng911 is some sort of magical pill that's going to give every dispatcher $10,000, a pony, and a blowjob while the calls practically handle themselves, and that's just not the case.
So get your head out of your fucking ass.
Not reading any of that go pick up a fucking phone.
So much for
we know what we’re doing because we fucking read.
Guess you don't actually know what the fuck you're doing.
Yeah sorry I don’t feel like wasting my time writing a paragraph like you to explain why it’s better when you can just read. You’re just a little pissed off 911 dispatcher. Answer phones for a living. Who gives a fuck you’re going to have to use this new software and you’ll realize it I don’t have to prove shit. I make wayyyy more than you and have wayyy more responsibility than answering a fucking phone so yeah go ahead and claim that but I bet you’re little a complete asshole know it all in real life and probably fucking suck at your job and what you fucking do that’s why you’re a miserable cunt online replying to me.
I've read what you've linked and plenty of other info about NG911, and like I've said multiple times I'm looking forward to the new capabilities it's going to give us.
I still don't see how any of it helps with the sorts of things I end up needing to look around on Google maps for.
I am very willing to be proven wrong about that. All you need to do is point out what specific parts of NG911 you think will help, and this conversation will end and I'll admit I was wrong and you were right and you're not doing that. Instead you're just being a miserable asshole while I'm trying to have a conversation with you and understand what you're trying to say.
So excuse me for matching your energy. I kind of relish the opportunity to be honest, I spend 12 hours a day at work talking to assholes like you who won't listen to me when I'm trying to tell them how to not fucking die, and needing to be polite and professional to them. It's pretty damn cathartic to call you out for being a dickhead and I'm not going to apologize for that.
I like my job, I like talking about it so that people understand how it works and how to access the help they need. I can only assume that you hate what you do and that's why you're acting this way. Sure, you make more money than me. I don't give a fuck, my needs are met, I'm happy, and you clearly aren't. Find a job you want to tell people about and help them understand what it is you do.
You should see what they did with reCaptcha. Today for the first time I got the popup telling me to scan a QR code with my phone in order to continue. Well, fuck that.
Make sure to tell the owner of the site why you don't wasn't to use it anymore.
They will make everything mandatory log in for 100% named tracking soon, unless regulations call for otherwise.
These tech companies are the ones demanding ID laws to use the internet on computers. Microsoft OS already serves unique identifiers that can track down computers, and they want to close the loop.
They already have an overwhelming amount of information about us anyway, but the more perfect the dataset the more power, control and advertising revenue it affords.
These billionaire owned companies all want to enslave us all with absolute control. Call me paranoid or dismiss what I’m saying if you would like, but unless we can fix our politics in all of our respective areas to free them from the yoke of big money it will only get worse.
Oh it's not just tech companies, it's tech companies getting ahead of the government who is going to demand the same thing. Say something that the government doesn't agree with, boom, you already have the information readily available.
We could fight against it and refuse to use these services, but that would change the things we are all addicted to.
Everyone has their breaking points. The enshittification will continue until morale improves (by leaving Google).
The only Google properties I still use are YouTube and Scholar (occasionally).
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Soon; "Or click here and we will stop bugging you for this and use you ip, mouse movement behaviors, scroll lag time and recent cookie history to identify you without having to even log in!"
I really just need to get off google entirely but I'm also very unmotivated/lazy/ADHD, and the common alternative FOSS maps just don't provide the same level of detail, especially in non-US or English speaking countries.
Depends on where you live, in the EU, openstreetmap.org is way more accurate than Google.
And you can make a new hobby for yourself by updating things as you come across them
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For Google, the primary difference between a logged-in user and one who is not logged in is the absence of any contractual agreement that legally binds the anonymous user to terms assigned by Google.
I haven't read a Google EULA in some time, but as I recall it was long and full of rights and waivers and privileges and protections you assign Google in regard to anything wherein you might possibly have legal standing. The log-in request is not universal, nor is it random, so it's safe to assume as a hypothetical that for whatever reason, Google wants that in this specific scenario, in this specific geographical region.
On the other hand, if you're not signed in -- AND Google can't link your anonymous use to an actual agreement you have with them elsewhere -- Google just doesn't have that same comfortably protected legal situation. (See Disney's recent legal behavior for an example of why, if Google can still link your non-signed-in behavior to an existing EULA elsewhere in their walled garden, you may still be fucked.)
OP's map seems to be located in the EU, which makes a legal difference as well. We already know that Google does whatever the fuck Google wants in the US, but in the EU laws tend to have more teeth as well as legislators very willing to go after violators.
All that said, I am not an attorney in Spain and I damn sure don't work for Google, so don't come at me lol.
OpenStreetMap ftw
Which is why I'm building my own self hosted map application
Fuck Google with an umbrella
I use google maps in the browser on my phone without an account logged in. Every single time I open it, it gives me a pop up message begging me to use their app with two buttons at the bottom that are blatantly dark patterned and misleading to get you to accidentally click on their app store link.
It's sad to see how time and time again companies build up a big user base by being the best service out there, and then just assume that they'll be the market leaders forever and ever no matter how much they enshittify.
The amount of vendor lock-in with something like Google Maps is very close to zero.
They want your data, and if you don’t give it to them by logging in, they’re cutting you off. Probably.
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