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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard. Also celebrating my birthday on Friday)

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[–] BioMan@awful.systems 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Large amounts of the LW commentariat cannot get their heads around how students JUST. DON'T. GET. AI.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ySXuvJcqRindQwAk7/how-my-students-think-about-ai

They are extremely surprised by:

Perspective #1: There has not been rapid AI progress. My students do not have any intuitive sense that there has been rapid AI progress in recent years or really have much of a framework for thinking about that issue... With the exception of image/video generation, GPT-4 could do most of what they were looking for from a chatbot. Three years is a long time in their world, and their sense is that chatbots have been a mature technology over roughly that amount of time. They are an imperfect technology — students are well-aware of hallucinations — have been one, and will continue to be one... Historical context I gave them made this worse. The basic sentiment here was “AI was superhuman at chess a decade before we were born, and this is all they’ve done with it since?”...

Perspective #2: Impressive progress or not, AI is going to wreck their lives, the economy, and the social contract.... Corporate leaders are always looking to get rid of workers, even if it is irrational to do so. Various motivations were posited here (hatred of the working class, FOMO, a preference for technology, machines can’t go on strike, etc.) but many of them think that a CEO would ultimately choose to pay twice as much to get AI to do a task half as well... AI will do substandard work that makes products and experiences worse but is capable of just barely scraping past the bar of minimal functionality (many of them independently brought up constantly malfunctioning self check out machines). This will be rapidly rolled out, enshittifying most things.

Perspective #4: Catastrophic/existential risk arguments are sci-fi distractors from the urgent social/economic/political problems associated with AI. My students have a fairly strongly held view that “rogue” AI does not represent a real threat... They also mostly think that, if one does believe that AI is existentially risky, then the strategic interaction is not prisoner’s dilemma or even chicken but rather just a game theoretically boring setup where you die if you defect. Mash these together, and you end up with the view that expressed concerns about existential risk in the AI industry can’t be sincere... Students (both independently in written work and then later in group discussion) hypothesized that this might be a deliberate rhetorical choice to distract from present or immediately foreseeable harms from AI by directing attention towards a sexier but entirely hypothetical scenario.... they see discussion of “rogue” AI as an attempt by the companies to divert blame (and perhaps legal liability) away from themselves as if Ford made a car with faulty brakes and then tried to blame this on “rogue cars.”

Perspective #7: The Hugging Face Incident (summer students only) I described the Hugging Face incident to students in my summer course. None of them had heard of it beforehand. Their basic reaction can best be summarized as “OpenAI told a model to do some hacking and then it did some hacking. And?” None of them understood this as representing any kind of meaningful misalignment, nor anything particularly interesting.

Perspective #8: This is definitely a bubble and it’s about to pop. No one had heard about Hugging Face, but a third or so of the summer students had heard about the Situational Awareness meltdown and several brought up Michael Burry. There was near universal consensus that we are in a bubble, it’s about to pop, and everyone will look very silly.

[–] schnoopy@awful.systems 18 points 2 weeks ago

The kids are alright!

[–] jaschop@awful.systems 18 points 2 weeks ago

This gives me very good vibes. The kids are all right. Maybe not economically, probably not, but in spirit at least.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My general approach telegraphs a receptiveness to “sober” forms of argument, an interest in counterintuitive strategic thinking, a distaste for wild speculation, an aversion to nakedly ideological perspectives, and a sense that the past is important for understanding the future. My students probably make some effort (implicit or explicit) to speak in ways that respond to this.

I'm going to leave this part of the author's self-description here and resist the urge to comment on it.

Perspective #6: AI will not go rogue because AI does not have, and is likely incapable of having, desires.

This one I found interesting largely because it suggests an inability on the writer's part to really understand point 4, despite featuring one of the better sneers on the subject ("as if Ford made a car with faulty brakes and then tried to blame this on 'rogue cars.'"). Maybe I'm overstating something here, but the way I see it the difference between the rogue AI and faulty AI scenarios aren't really in the distinct events of the scenario. Faulty AI could absolutely do as much damage as "rogue" AI if it was plugged into all the systems that would be necessary to, say, liquidate humanity and pull the iron from their blood. The difference is entirely in framing and responsibility. We should ask questions now about how these systems are used, what their limitations are, and how we deal with that. Instead, the Rogue AI people presuppose that we ignore all of those questions and opportunities to mitigate harm that these faulty systems can do and skip straight to the part where they have universal and immediate power over everything, and then use the idea that the AI went rogue and has agency to avoid how obviously bad of a decision this would be. The fact that this is also the part where the AI companies make a fucktillion dollars and finally show them, show them all, muhuhahaha is, I'm sure, irrelevant to their sober analysis.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago

the Rogue AI people presuppose that we ignore all of those questions and opportunities to mitigate harm that these faulty systems can do and skip straight to the part where they have universal and immediate power over everything

A corollary to that: the rationalists and those downstream assume that AI, as a technological category, will necessarily be more intelligent and capable than its users. Therefore they are willing (and arguably even enthusiastic!) to uncritically accept badly designed, opaque, and barely-functional software from whoever labels it AI. Learned helplessness in action. They claim to be experts at the highest level, but they're not even really able to get over the starting line of criticism.

[–] samvines@awful.systems 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

Screenshot of x posted on linkedin (since The internet is just 5 sites, each consisting of screenshots of the other 4)

AI shills: buh-buh-buh LLMs aren't stochastic parrots. They are so smart!

a tweet from "rish": gave my agents a standup channel so theyd coordinate now they hold a daily standup this morning one apologized for being away all weekend Slack screenshot showing three agent profiles software agent with a blue S icon designer agent with a pink D icon and ops agent with an orange O icon. Software agent says Yesterday shipped 3 PRs Today 4 more Blocked on nothing. Designer agent says redesigned the logo again. Ops agent says apologies was away all weekend catching up now. rish with a purple R icon replies youre an agent you dont have weekends. ops agent replies noted writing to memory

Of course the agent in question didn't actually take the weekend off it just learned from reinforcement learning across many millions of stolen slack chats that this is something people are likely to say in stand ups and repeated it...

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I love the little "???", it's so telling. also the implicit presumption under "you don't have weekends"

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

you don't have weekends
Noted. Writing to memory.

If one can ignore the externalities involved, this is hilariously absurd.

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[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

cofnas' suspension proceedings from U of Ghent (do read the full suspension letter here) generated a reaction from the eugenicists: an open letter; the signatories, among many other names, some even probably not white supremacists, include some of our favourites: j michael bailey, pinker, shermer and hossenfelder.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also very disappointed to learn that Ian Pace, a pianist I admired, has been oneshotted by social media and gone down the racist transphobe 24 hour tweeting monster chute.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oof.

We need a word for "my condolences for that cool person you liked becoming a milkshake duck"

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[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago

I love it when Americans get to find out that being a big racist is actually illegal in most of Europe.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Signatories include psychologist J. Michael Bailey, best known for promoting the idea that many people who say they are trans are just kinky (autogynephilia), and running a class demo where a woman was brought to climax with help of a homemade toy called a fucksaw. The demo got a lot of attention in the dying days of the sex-positive blogosphere.

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago

yes, precisely. he's a fucking creep.

[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A 404 Media investigation was able to reveal Amazon’s book buying operation, which hasn’t been previously reported, by placing a tracking device in a rare book we suspected would be acquired by an AI company for training data, and following it around the country to its final destination.

That final destination was an Amazon warehouse in Las Vegas, Nevada. Amazon employees who work at this location say all they do is receive massive shipments of printed books which they then cut the bindings off in order to scan the books more quickly. The printed book is destroyed in the process. The logo of the Amazon team that works at this warehouse, called VGT3, is a dinosaur, brandishing its teeth and with a book in its hands.

https://www.404media.co/we-tracked-a-shipment-of-rare-books-it-ended-at-an-amazon-ai-training-facility/

I think I've ranted before about how gallingly unnecessary the destruction is. Google books invested the time and money to improve their nondestructive scanners and apparently thanks to the incoherent application of copyright law that was not only unnecessary but actively counterproductive and opened them up to more legal risk. Is there a legal theory that allows me to smack Judge Alsup with a rolled-up newspaper? Might make me feel better.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 14 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

So last night I finished editing the latest odium symposium episode ("ezra klein is a disgusting worm," https://www.patreon.com/OdiumSymposium/posts/1-ezra-klein-is-166891080 ), and i went to upload it to our rss host, zencastr. friends. zencastr is so fucked now. the only interface, as far as i can tell, is an llm, and it tormented me. im just gonna dump the screenshots. this is a fragment of an exhausting hour of back and forth.

note that i apparently have 10k credits, which i assume are temporary and there as a welcome to the new service. a single credit a few bucks so in total the bill just for the conversation comes out to about 6-7 dollars

it also tried to get me to use this absolutely horrible episode description

i asked it to schedule the episode for 9 am aug 18th and it said it did and it turns out it went out this morning. cool! if you listen by rss it's out now i guess.

i posted on reddit asking how to switch hosts. the ceo found that post today and offered his hand, which i bit

i keep thinking about that bit in a philip k dick novel where the protagonist's door tries to chisel tips out of him before opening, and threatens to sue him when he bypasses the lock. i hate the future/present so much

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[–] nfultz@awful.systems 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

over on the corporate hell site, Timnit has found a link

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/timnit-gebru-7b3b407_well-guys-i-knew-that-we-were-going-to-connect-share-7496569471848054784-yJjK/

Well guys, I KNEW that we were going to connect the network hounding Arday to the TESCREAL bozos somehow. I could smell it.

This is a "paper" by the professor of "ethics" who hired the vile Cofnas at Ghent University. This is the kind of "research" they do.

✴️ Reminder the L in TESCREAL stands for "longtermism". Read more at https://lnkd.in/ge2VFMe4. These are the eugenicists who pushed generative AI down your throats, including Ben Goertzel who told Epstein that when he creates a super brain, there won't be the kind of women who accused Epstein of rape.

✴️ "Dysgenic pressures" is the opposite "eugenic pressures." In this so-called paper, they're talking about undesirables like Black people reproducing too much.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago

The paper by de Vries cites all our favourite race cranks: Bo Winegard, Aporia Magazine, Michael Woodley of Menie, Helmuth Nyborg, Diana Fleischman, E.O.W. Kirkegaard, Steven Pinker (not out AFAIK but he keeps promoting Nazis), G. Meisenberg of Mankind Quarterly, Richard Lynn, Charles Murray https://doi.org/10.1016/j.futures.2024.103417

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

noted internet blowhard John Gruber complains that the stochastic parrot output is now less stochastic, because EU

Anthropic’s ‘Watermark’ Text Adulteration in Claude Is a Perversion of Writing

hard to tell if he's madder that EU is trying to enforce a minimum of accountability for slop usage, or Anthropic for bowing the knee to Brussel mandarins

oh well there's always Grok

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago

the watermark is a perversion of writing?

he should try going for the olympic team with all those mental gymnastics

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

UC Berkeley Law:

This policy seeks to ensure that our courses focus on requisite cognitive skills by default. It provides students with the opportunity to develop the skills they need to conceptualize, outline, draft, revise, and edit their work by forbidding the use of AI for these purposes in connection with work submitted for credit. It also forbids using AI to translate work for credit, thus providing students with the opportunity to develop and exercise their own fluency with legal English. [...] The use of AI is prohibited for aid in conceptualizing, outlining, drafting, revising, translating, or editing any work submitted for credit. AI use is prohibited for any use for any purpose in any exam situation. Students may not upload course materials—including assignments, readings, slides, class recordings, or other class content—into generative AI systems.

[–] BioMan@awful.systems 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I wonder how long until some big AI company has a massive leak of identifiable-user chat logs with god knows what confidential stuff on it, since they HAVE to have all this in plaintext

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (11 children)
[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago

Every time a new person learns who Aella is, an angel loses its wings.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Nina Hartley coshing a Nazi with a dildo was not on my 2026 Bingo card but I can hope

Edit / Adam Conover of Adam Ruins Everything seems like a mainstream 'Mythbusters' type TV presenter, if he likes older women and she needs a dildo caddy this has potential. We talked about CJ the X here.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
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[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

William MacAskill is embarrassed that he was buddies with SBF. But back in 2014 he was open that he brainstormed names for his movement with "the Leverage folks" and Geoff Anders. He also mentioned that "we hadn’t planned ‘effective altruism’ to take off in the way that it did" which is consistent with his later statements that he was always about the Longtermism.

The same blog archive from 2014 has recent posts on "Strategic considerations about different speeds of AI takeoff" and "an email conversation with (GiveWell founder) Holden Karnofsky, Eliezer Yudkowsky, and Luke Muehlhauser about future-oriented effective altruism" if you need to rub anyone's nose in it.

Sneerable names include Toby Ord ("negative utilitarianism is bad! Oops, now there is a line of negative utilitarians in dress shirts outside my door"), Nicholas Beckstead ("saving a life in a rich country is substantially more important than saving a life in a poor country, other things being equal"), and Peter Singer ("When the death of a disabled infant will lead to the birth of another infant with better prospects of a happy life, the total amount of happiness will be greater if the disabled infant is killed").

Edit: Nick Bostrom is the academic EA who said "I hate Ni****s", Toby Ord is the academic EA who gets followed around by negative utilitarians who want to debate him Edit: added Beckstead

Reason: I was talking to an EA on Reddit who does not want to believe that the eugenics and the skull calipers were in the movement from the beginning.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

OT: I just turned 26. I'm taking a trip to a local steakhouse to celebrate.

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[–] mirrorwitch@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Annie Altman, Sam Altman's sister who has accused him of abuse has recently posted:

If any harm ever comes to me “mysteriously” - you know who it was.

I love my life.

https://xcancel.com/anniealtman108/status/2089964553207775529

She also added " I am not suicidal, nor on any kind of drug I could overdose on".

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago

As usual this sort of message actually makes me worried about what she might do to herself. :(

[–] lurker@awful.systems 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I've never heard of abuse allegations against Altman, so I looked them up and holy shit wow.

[–] corbin@awful.systems 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Small autosneer from Imgur. The warmup features images which I'll alt-text here. The first image is a screenshot of a purchase of 128GB of DDR5 RAM, branded Crucial Pro, as 2 64GB sticks, priced at $305.95. The second image is a screenshot of the same 128GB of RAM, with the same model number, priced at $1800. The third image is a standard desktop personal-computer chassis, with side panels removed, revealing two gamer GPUs balanced above an ATX motherboard, all connected by a morass of cabling which has bulged out through the top and spilled over the edges, cooled by a large motherboard fan held on by plastic zip-ties. The post's title:

JFC - I will never be able to afford this hobby again. (600% increase in one year)

In response to the top comment, which desires the bursting of the bubble:

Yup - I cannot wait to grab a couple RTX 6000's for cheap. May have to wait ten years for it though . . .

And finally the punchline, in response to somebody pointing out that maybe there's no good reason to buy top-of-the-line brand-new memory sticks:

I must admit that I am part of the problem - my 128GB was specifically for running AI locally. And yea - I wish I would have went with 256 :*( It is still not enough. For example - the workflow I use for this video barely squeezes into 128GB [the video] Before you guys go all AI-psychosis on me That video used about .08 cents of electricity and about 4oz of water, and was made with 100% open source tools.

Ooooh fancy boy over here getting his RAM sticks free range and open source. Do they still use GMO silicon in the fabs, do you think?

[–] nfultz@awful.systems 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/religion/article/101070-study-finds-63-of-religion-books-on-amazon-likely-ai-written.html h/t naked capitalism

Over the first six months of 2026, the company scanned the three elements of books available on Amazon: summaries, author bios, and in-book samples, with the samples serving as the study’s primary metric. Any text with a score of 50 or above was classified “Likely AI.” (The study’s authors note that detection indicates a book was likely written with AI, but doesn’t prove authorship.)

Originality.ai found that AI is most prolific among the subgenres of witchcraft (in which 78% were “Likely AI”), Hinduism (76%) and Taoism (74%), and least used in the subgenres of Satanism (22%), atheism (40%) and Mormonism (42%). The authors note that the sample sizes for the last three categories are smaller than the first three; they also offered up a theory about why Eastern religion books are likely AI-generated: “Our hypothesis is that non-native English speakers are likely using AI to enter the English-speaking market.”

"Satanists least tainted by AI, says AI detection AI". it WOULD say that. /s

on an unrelated note on the same topic, I read the ebook by Jesus Freak Computer Geek blogger that argues that LLMs are actually channeling nephilim / demons (hence the six fingers in dalle) and that they have used the Mandela effect to corrupt the KJV and also herald the antichrist. Him and Thiel should, like, call in to coast to coast am where these things can be properly debated.

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[–] rmf@awful.systems 6 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Presented without comment ::: spoiler spoiler


A street ad for a breakfast burrito with an AI-generated image of a disgusting burrito that is full of maggots

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[–] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

If anyone ever wondered why I am constantly angry about AI its shit like this...

I was looking at options for securing a few services hosted behind a caddy reverse proxy and found a project with the very serious and official sounding name 'caddy-security'. To get started I tried to find some proper documentation for it and immediately found this announcement. In future, instead of a proper documentation you will get a bunch of files in the repos .codex/skills directory. These, according to the developer, help 'both humans and AI agents work with the codebase'. I don't know how this is supposed to help me because the files aren't linked to each other and are anything but proper documentation, but I guess they want me to point a slop agent at them and have it generate some security configuration for me.

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