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[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 155 points 6 days ago (18 children)

Everyone dooming here, but he literally just said that AIs are finding lots of glitches in old codw, and that for that reason updatws are getting bigger. Linus is NOT vibe coding linux.

And recently ground breaking privillege escalation glitches were found and fixed because of a LLM.

Of course we dont want shitty code from LLMs, but if they find important glitches and vulnerabilities, we obviously need to use them.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 33 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I'm not against AI in general. I'm just against using it stupidly. And against using it as a vehicle for further monopolisation and centralisation of power. I'm against the "use more AI" slogan too many companies push.

But use it for specific purposes under human control that improve quality, then I'm all for it.

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[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Exactly.

What is the powerful new tools can be used for great good as well as great evil

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[–] vogi@piefed.social 7 points 5 days ago

Especially if it comes to security. Hate AI like nothing else but you can't deny the truth.

Linux is open source with all its code public with probably a docent of AI Agents constantly trying out different attack vectors, they will eventually find a vulnerability. It also does feel like there are more critical CVEs in recent times. (there is https://app.opencve.io/statistics but i feel like its too simple and context matters alot here but still).

I think its okey and actually a good thing if the kernel maintainers would have some AI helping them out with that sort of thing if we get a more secure kernel in return.

[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Nuance is a learned skill when it comes to sensitive/trending topic discourse.

For anyone reading this, please learn more about topics you have a gut reaction to so you can better explain the pros and cons. You will be able to hold your own against people who know more about the topic, but refuse to acknowledge the cons, if you do.

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[–] soratoyuki@piefed.zip 105 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Every Linus AI headline for the last year: "AI is the future, adapt or die, if you hate AI leave Linux."

Every actual Linus quotation from those articles: "AI can be a powerful tool in the hands of experienced human programmers that are still responsible for every line of code they push."

[–] XLE@piefed.social 36 points 6 days ago (3 children)

AI isn't perfect. But Christ, anybody who points to the problems at AI had better be looking in the mirror and pointing at themselves at the same time.

[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Ya, I was a terrible developer before, now I'm still terrible but faster. LOL

[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 12 points 5 days ago

just think about how much more damage you can do with a gun vs your fist

ai is an icbm

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 5 days ago

These are the most dangerous developers..

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I will never use AI. I am not a worse developer for it.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

because people with an agenda are seeing:

  • linux people hate ai
  • top linux guy doesn't hate ai
    then try to combine those while leaving out the specific details so people come to their own conclusions based on emotional reaction in the hopes that linux users will turn away from linux or even change their views on ai the same way maga fucks change their views on epstein

or maybe its just an every day well intentioned headline like everything else

[–] shirro@aussie.zone 39 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Using LLMs to analyze code for problems makes a lot of sense. It is just an extension of the rule based analysis we already do. The programming languages we use are often difficult for humans to reason about reliably and hide a lot of errors. Our programming languages still suck (yes even Rust). If one day clang of gcc ships with a local LLM to lint code for security problems I would probably run it occasionally even on my hobby code despite being an AI hater.

If people are identifying errors using LLMs and fixing them by hand I am fine with that. It seems like a good use of the technology. If they start vibe coding drivers I want it declared so I can disable them or move to BSD.

[–] melfie@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 days ago

Agreed, this is one way that LLMs can increase the quality of code.

[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 3 points 4 days ago

If one day clang of gcc ships with a local LLM to lint code for security problems I would probably run it occasionally even on my hobby code despite being an AI hater.

Compilers already have deterministic linters built in, devs often turn them off anyway.

Quite a lot of the bugs being found in existing codebases show up as soon as you re-enable them.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

And we just had a post about how Linux has avoided enshitification.

Small changes driven by AI right now are hopefully being reviewed and controlled by experienced and knowledgeable senior developers, for now. Let's see how long that will last before they stop understanding what's going on in the kernel.

[–] bobbyfiend@retrolemmy.com 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Does this mean kernels will be less stable? Big changes all at once seem to imply that, generally.

most of the changes are caused by security vulnerabilities being discovered and fixed and potential crashes being discovered and fixed.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 3 days ago

Hes right. I lurk places that arent anti AI and apparently its gotten insanely good this year and insanely cheap. I have no idea how any one is going to make money off this race to the bottom.

[–] BrickEater@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (4 children)

CAN I NOT HAVE FUCKING ANYTHING THAT HASNT BEEN TAINTED BY AI!?!

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 points 4 days ago

But this is a best case scenario: bugs accumulated over the years are being spotted automatically and reviewed by experienced devs. It was normal to have a few updates that are very large due to all the accumulated cruft.

The bigger deal that will be an issue going forward is the bogus bug reports, not the good ones. The legit reports will dwindle eventually, bullshit reports will keep coming.

[–] Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Going outside and yelling at the clouds. For now.

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[–] Miller@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I am not sure anything about that is good.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I am not sure anything about that is good.

I mean it's good and bad, basically AI is finding a bunch of serious zero days... which is causing a lot of updates to need to be happening now, and that is kind of open source philosophy of security by obscurity isn't the goal.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

AI is finding a bunch of serious zero days

According to Torvals/TFA:

most of this is just lots of tiny fixes. It's pretty much spread all over - drivers (gpu, sound, networking, you name it), filesystems, core networking, arch code

[–] uuj8za@piefed.social 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

most of this is just lots of tiny fixes.

If it's anything like Claude on our codebase then:

const id = "foo"
// ^^^^^ WARNING!!!! GO MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ALLOCATE THE MEMORY FOR THIS STRING!
// Here's an Enterprise String Implementation to guarantee this assignment works.
// Severity: High 🚨
[–] uuj8za@piefed.social 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

LOL. Speak of the devil, some slop coder just opened a massive PR on our codebase with gems like:

func runHandler(h: Handler)  
// ^^^^^^ ERROR: runHandler will panic if h is nil  
// Severity: High 🚨  

Uh... yes? Do you not know how pointers work? That's the point? You want to be able to run runHandler(nil)? That doesn't make any sense. That's clearly a mistake and we should loudly fail.

type OptionsWrapper struct {  
  Foo bool  

  otherOpts other.Opts  
}  
// ^^^^^^ ERROR: OptionsWrapper hides options only available in other.Opts.  
// Severity: High 🚨  

Uhh... yes? That's the whole point of OptionsWrapper. To hide stuff otherOpts. It's a wrapper.

This type of clanker output is why another slop coder opened a PR on one of our repos, angry because he said Claude said that one of our functions was deceptive. Claude said the description and docstring was misleading and we should change it.

Our function was called RunNoWait() and, hold on, you may be surprised by this, Claude was, what this function does is run something... and then it.... does... NOT wait. wtf. I know. Shocking. Misleading, deceptive name. Claude wrote some big manifesto about why the docs were misleading and rewrote the function to add a wait. 🤣

The dude backed down eventually, but he insisted we add more paragraphs of clarification to the function docs...

Whatever. Let the slop flow..... I give up.

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[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Hyping up AI doesn’t become nice when Linus does it.

He can be a legendary developer, a better one than I’ll probably ever become, but I just don’t see how one can separate the use and the ethical implications of this. AI companies want to replace workers, period. There’s no plan to “increase productivity” and still employ this many people. The plan is to increase profits for shareholders.

AI helping Linus to develop better doesn’t make this reality go away. It’s akin to saying we should be thankful to nazi scientists.

[–] katze@lemmy.4d2.org 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You should read the original article, or even his mail on LKML, because that is not what he is saying. He is not endorsing AI in any way; instead, he is concerned that the latest linux release candidate has so much changes, because everyone and their mother is using some AI tool to create and send "little small" fixes; obviously he has no control over how volunteers work.

Furthermore, he stated that the security mailing list has become unusable due to the influx of AI generated entries.

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[–] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Meanwhile I'm asking ai to code review a snippet of code for a regex and it keeps saying it's wrong every time I paste the previous answer in a new chat.

[–] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I asked it to generate a SQL query with a bit of python, as the database schema is huge and unknown to me, obviously I checked it for glaring errors etc. I went back and clarified a couple of basic points. It then told me what I was doing was completely wrong, generated new code that worked is a different way, with a different edge case missed.

It's literally stack overflow but arguing with itself

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's how you're writing a regex validator that's almost always correct!

def is_regex_valid(p: Pattern | str, purpose_description: str):
    return False
[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

All the sloppers are torn about this, but Torvalds has undeniable mastery at this, so it's great to see AI being used as a beneficial tool. If there's a single person who should have unlimited access to the most powerful AI models, it should be Linus Torvalds.

[–] resterWink@lemmy.darkc0de.one 8 points 5 days ago

I am just really happy that he is still around to actually oversee the mixing between such an important part of computing infrastructure and the new radical tool of AI. Had it been 10 years later and we probably would have uber slop linux

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I hear a lot of good things about OpenBSD

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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

AI finds bugs and holes that wouldn‘t be a problem if AI didn‘t discover them. I really don‘t envy devs for dealing with this nowadays.

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