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Though progress is often slow, city planners and politicians are gradually waking up to the fact that when cities offer safe and affordable alternatives to cars, we start to travel differently.

More and more young people are choosing bicycles, buses and trains over owning a car out of the sheer cost. In Berlin, it’s public transport, not cars, which is the coolest way of getting around.

In Copenhagen, a city that has a long held reputation for being bike-friendly, a whopping 62% of people choose to cycle their commute.

In the French city of Lyon, the number of cars entering the city has fallen by 20% compared to just a decade ago. As the city’s network of bike hire stations continues to grow, town planners are hoping for a further 20% decline.

In London, where cycle super-highways are becoming popular, the share of journeys made by car has fallen by a quarter since 1990.

Car free days are rising in popularity in many of the world’s largest cities, giving people a taste of what it’s like to live with less noise, traffic and pollution. Bogota was one of the first cities to introduce a car free day, and it’s now become so popular that it’s been extended to a full week.

Bogotá's Ciclovía is fantastic! I was there in the mid-nineties and they closed a major artery, the Carretera Séptima, on Sundays. Here some pictures.

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[–] CaptainKoerk@startrek.website 46 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We need public transport. Electric cars are like methadon for carbrain, it's better, but not really.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (13 children)

We need public transport.

And plenty of safe and comfortable bike paths - the cheapest, and often fastest option.

And, if you look at the transport capacity of bike paths in persons per hour passing, they are absolutely incredible. Far more than most large multi-lane streets for cars. Cykelslangen in Copenhagen has at rush hour times a vehicle frequency of 2 per second - that's 7200 vehicles per hour. Cars would need a motorway through the city to reach that capacity.

One of the many more good things about bikes is that they release expensive public transport resource for those which do really need them - people who are too ill, too old, incapacitated, or need to go too far distances to get there by bike. We should think of public transport in cities as an extension and supplement of a bike-centered system, not as the main option.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Yes. And painting a white line along the side of the road doesn't cut it.

I would love it if the local light rail had a car to lock your bike up while you ride the train.

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[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

More and more young people are choosing bicycles, buses and trains over owning a car out of the sheer cost.

That's not really a choice, is it?

[–] leagman1@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago

What do you mean. They could still choose crippling debt.

[–] kevinsky@feddit.nl 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

That’s not really a choice, is it?

Isn't it? In less car-centric places not having a car is entirely valid choice to make.

I could quite easily afford a car, but parking where I live is a nightmare and I can get get to 99 percent of my destinations either on my bicycle or if further away, by taking a train.

There's some penalty in terms of convenience and traveltimes (especially out in the farmland, even though I can almost guarantee i'm faster on my bicycle than anything on four wheels within the city I live in), but that's easily overshadowed by cost saving in my case by not having to buy and maintain a car and honestly also a gym membership which costs both money and the far more irreplaceable commodity of time.

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[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's all fine and dandy that they only think about the big cities, but the problem is that the focus on public transport seem to be exclusively focused on big cities while those of us who live in rural areas are starved for public transport options.

I see they pick Copenhsgen among the places to praise public transport. Psh. Cool. I live in Jutland and my household was literally forced to buy a car after they cut the public transport budget in our city - again - and as a result, my boyfriend was forced to get up at 3 in the morning to be at work at 8. So, we bought a car because it was literally killing him and the limited time we had as a couple already, was pretty much eradicated.

Getting a car not only did wonders for his health, it also gave us our relationship a much needed boost because now he had the energy to actually be awake and do things with me, when he got home from work.

There are zero signs that public transport is a priority where we live and we aren't going back now. We did everything to depend on public transport and save the expense of having a car until we were in our 30s and the only reason we ended up buckling was because public transport was cut from our area. It wasn't only his bus route that was fucked with, btw. When I wanted to go see friends and family, the busses I used to take had been cut too and I suddenly had to take three trains and two busses to go see people who lived two to three hours away by car took me something around 6 hours to go on a 2 hours ride anywhere. One time they flat out canceled my bus home and I was stuck on a train station in Aarhus at midnight Nad would have to wait until 4 in the morning to get home. My boyfriend came and picked me up in the car and told me that from now on he'd drive me when I went because the last few trips I had taken had been disasters and this one had been the worst one yet. I had left for home, btw, at around 5 in the afternoon and wasn't home until 2 in the morning. That trio would have taken me 3 hours by car. Public transport forced me to be on the go for 9 hours and that is only because my boyfriend picked me up. If he hadn't done that, it would have been 13 hours.

That is unacceptable. And from what I have been told recently, public transport has only gotten worse in Denmark since. But I'm so happy for people in Copenhagen that they get to have busses, trains and metro that arrive every two minutes and take them anywhere they need to go. Must be nice.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago (9 children)

while those of us who live in rural areas are starved for public transport options.

Those could elect politicans who improve their situation. Otherwise, it just looks like people have chosen a non-sustainable way of life, do nothing to improve that, but moan when they are bitten by consequences. I even know about a community outside of Munich where people oppose to set up bus connection (apparently they fear that poorer people move there).

And of course, poor people should receive help - but come on, not everyone who moved to a large house in the middle of nowhere is poor.

Apart from that, by far most the population lives in cities, suburbia, and metropolitan areas. Here is where improvements help in the quickest way, and often are most efficient.

[–] the_q@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You really like putting the onus on people who are held captive by systems they have very little control over.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In Copenhagen, a city that has a long held reputation for being bike-friendly, a whopping 62% of people choose to cycle their commute.

I did that too when I lived in Copenhagen. And it's also the fastest way to get around.

[–] br3d@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (11 children)

The problems of car dependency go beyond carbon, though - it's also about road danger, space demand, micro plastics, the exclusion from society of people who can't afford cars, the exclusion of disabled people, etc etc. Changing the engine doesn't address these and we need to work towards reducing reliance on this form of transport

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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

There is not going to be a one size fits all solution for all countries and regions.

In cities you need public transport and walking/biking facilities. Car infrastructure is too expensive.

In suburbia, getting households to go from dual car to single car, you need public transport and bike facilities.

For rural, public transport is not really cost effective, so you are going to need to incentivise self power generation and home charging. Popularizing from high speed ebikes might be a good option though.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I'm on the edge of suburbia, butting up against ag rural. It's ten miles to the next town either direction. My bike gets forty on a full charge. And most of the streets (with the exception of the major roads every couple miles, most of which have functional bike lanes) are one and a half lanes wide, 25 MPH and I usually only see people walking their dogs and the postmister when I'm out there. My 20mph governed ebike does great for getting me around locally. I ended up slapping a collapsible 35L milk crate on the back (I think that's the right volume) for when I need to pick up a couple hundred pounds of kitty litter. Which the wife says is tomorrow yaaaay

I guess my point is (I actually have one this time!) I bet a bunch of rural folk could do pretty well using an ebike as their primary vehicle

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think so too, e-bikes are very underrated. it becomes a problem if the distances get to 30-50 miles between townsthough. Maybe some battery swap tech with solar recharging stations could do the trick.

Battery swap is here, since I can unplug and remove mine with the turn of a key. I just need more batteries

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[–] julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I hate this sentiment so much, because it implies that everyone can just wait for change: "Just go buy another gas powered car until that rail road line is built".

If you can afford an electric car (instead of your current gas powered car) today please buy one or you are part of the problem. If you don‘t need it anymore, because of that rail road line, sell it. Electric cars are much better for the climate & the surroundings. They can also be important for electric grid stability.

Additionally since Copenhagen was mentioned: In the last ten years car ownership in Copenhagen actually increased (https://kk.statistikbank.dk/statbank5a/SelectVarVal/saveselections.asp). Just because people take the bike every day doesn‘t mean that they don‘t own a car.

PS: I live in the city center and don‘t own a car. Never have.

[–] OnASnowyEvening@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I hate this sentiment so much, because it implies that everyone can just wait for change:

Also: "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good [enough]."

Societal Progress is an exercise in iterative steps. Electric cars today, something even better tomorrow (and by tomorrow I mean in fifty to a hundred years because lord knows people refuse to fund mass transit in some countries).

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[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago

I hate this sentiment so much, because it implies that everyone can just wait for change:....

Pretty sure that Greenpeace does not want people to wait for change - they push for it

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[–] bitteroldcoot@piefed.social 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That’s an easy thing to say when you’re young and healthy.

You will think differently why you are 70, arthritic and facing chemo.

[–] HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (25 children)

That’s an easy thing to say when you’re young and healthy.

You will think differently why you are 70, arthritic and facing chemo.

I am 59, have asthma, and cycle one hour to work. And cycling conserves and improves my health.

And: People in their 70 need public transport far more than others. Many of them cannot drive a car safely anymore (examples here). There are many tragic and unnecessary accidents because of that.

Dad had Parkinson's and found that regular moderate to high intensity cycling not only helped him feel healthier, it also helped his dyskinesia.

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