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[–] Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] myotheraccount@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

Can someone please remove it? It's damaging the esthetics of this picture

[–] winkly@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] eightpix@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Maps with ONLY New Zealand.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And all of Polynesia, it’s just really hard to see a bunch of islands.

Bonkers that people managed to navigate to those islands without GPS.

[–] eightpix@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you've not tried it out, Wade Davis tells this story best in The Wayfinders (2009 Massey Lectures). He was consulted on Moana, which did well, but not as well as his book.

Also, if you're a reader, Massey Lectures are a great set of readings.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Thanks for the recommendation!

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

Not only without GPS, but with some kind of map that isn't scale to the night sky and generally defies Western understanding of maps and assisted navigation

[–] lime@feddit.nu 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that's why they get excluded from all the others

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago

It's on the back. I get it now.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Somebody just doxed the whole of New Zealand

[–] Timbo1970@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't see it. I know Australia is just around the corner to the left, and Chile to the right, but based on all of my other maps, that's just empty ocean! Anything else is woke.

Adding /s because someone will take me seriously...

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I've seen it in real life and it looks way bigger than that little 5cm circle

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

That's nothing like the true size of the Pacific Ocean, it's only a few inches across.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Be me, alien

Approach new planet

Yet another ocean world

Move on

We'll find other life someday

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I’m not a biologist, but wouldn’t ocean worlds be at or near the top of the list of planets most likely to host life?

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://nordpil.com/static/images/ocean_productivity_full.png

A picture's worth a thousand words. By far the most productive regions of the ocean are the shallow waters of the continental shelves. Maybe you could have an ocean world that was entirely shallow seas. But when I imagine an ocean world, I imagine abyssal depths spanning an entire planetary surface. Such a world would have far less ocean abundance than our own.

It wouldn't be a complete desert. Plenty of life does exist far from the continental shelves. It's just that these are the most productive regions of the ocean.

The problem with life is you need more than just water. Living things are mostly water, but the water is the boring part. And a lot of the essential building blocks of life tend to fall out of the water column as marine snow.

In shallow water, the depths that light can penetrate can also interact with the ocean floor. This allows more churning of vital materials. Plus there is a constant flow of new minerals and nutrients flowing in from the land.

In a deep ocean world? There would be very few minerals and nutrients available at any depth light could reach. Some would still work its way up through the action of currents, but nothing like the shallow waters.

And then you have to consider the nightmares Nature spawns, with terrors beyond any found in our oceans. A neat thing happens with oceans if you make them too deep. Pile enough water on top of water, and exotic high-temperature ices form under all that pressure. Some Super-Earths host oceans of scales beyond comprehension, but they are vast deserts made of water. If you kept piling water on Earth's surface, once the water got about 600 miles deep the exotic ices would start to form. This depth will vary based on the size of the planet, but for any given size, passed a certain point, the ocean has ice at the bottom.

And that is a problem for life. The water column is now cut off from the planet's crust. Volcanoes might periodically spew out some material through the ice shell, but we're already talking low-productivity worlds to begin with.

Now a shallow ocean world, a planetary continental shelf? THAT would be something to behold. But such worlds should be rare. Your ocean depth has to be tuned just right. On the scale from "mile's deep ocean" to "planetary desert," a planetary 100-foot deep ocean is just to the left of being a planetary desert.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So what I'm hearing is that Subnautica is off the table.

[–] RaphaelSchmitz@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Subnautica? The game where literally the starting area has light reaching the ocean floor like that comment says?

I think you need to play it again

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Where the planet is mostly abyss with super predators in it.

[–] RaphaelSchmitz@feddit.org 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Where the planet is not covered by a 600mile deep ocean with super ice on the bottom, and has big areas with light reaching the sediment.

A planet where everything is deep ocean and frozen at the bottom does not provide enough minerals. But I don't know why this still needs explaining when the info was already available literally in the comment you replied to?

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Read the words please.

In Subnauticas own lore, the caldera is a fluke alongside below zero's biome. The entirity of the planet otherwise is 'the abyss' which, now that I've read up on it - is not nearly as deep as I thought - that being only about 8 kilometers deep.

So I'm back to not being sure, there certainly wouldn't be any super ice but the nature of the abyss is still odd.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah, most likely.

But I had already typed the comment before realizing that and the sweet sweet internet validation from upvotes doesn't make itself

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ocean worlds would be less likely to be able to make and control fire, which is likely one of the main reasons we have any technology at all.

It's reasonable to assume that a world that is completely covered by ocean has no technology or sapient life.

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agriculture also seems unlikely unless youre a sentient carp or something

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Plants grow under/in water, why would it be impossible to plant them on purpose? Genuinely asking. And fish farms are a thing.

Also, pet peeve of mine: carps ARE sentient as they can perceive their surroundings using their senses. You probably want "sapient", being able to reason and think about those surroundings in more than just immediate reflexes.

[–] RaphaelSchmitz@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago

And fish farms are a thing.

Even more so, seaweed farms are a thing; 100% EXACTLY the thing the asked for.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But since most fire is ultimately used to heat water, couldn't a form of technology develop based on hydrothermal vents?

[–] JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There would need to be an evolutionary drive to develop that tech. And in a water world there's little reason to. The main utilization of fire was to cook food. From there other developments occurred. That's not a thing that hydrothermal vents would be good at or easily utilized. An aquatic species would literally be inside the oven they cook with, and for little reason. Sushi is a thing we eat now. You also can't smelt metals underwater. So passing the threshold of utilizing basic tools is basically impossible.

[–] Donebrach@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Says the guy who never grew up on a water world. Bet you’re one of those foundation men! Space have you you ingrate!

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Pitcairn island is one of the weirdest communities in the world

[–] Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago

The whole land thing has been one huge psyop by the landlords. In the ocean doesn't matter who owns the floor just swim above it dummy.

Also you get to just chill being a fish, instead of paying taxes for elon's new Earth-Inceniracorp venture.

[–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

From how far?

It made me think about the maps that underline how it's only one big ocean for marine animals, with only different salinity, temperature, flow and stuff...

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

Now, imagine you're flying from New Zealand/Australia to South America. That's directly across that part of the globe. It's a LONG flight across nothing but ocean

[–] forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where's plastic island on this?

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Well it's not so much an island as a vast area with a lot of plastics of various sizes and two convergence points roughly before Japan and California with currents transporting material between them in a loop around Hawaii.

I think the islands in the bottom is New Zealand, so the small islands top left is probably Hawaii and California/Mexico barely visible at the top. That would mean that nearly a quarter of the top left rim until behind the horizon (Japan) is where the Great Pacific Garbage Patch roughly is.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Earths wet bottom

I’ll show myself out

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey I can see my house from here

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Wait, is it at pixel (157,472)?

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Think of all the extra continents we could fit on there!

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

It only takes a few decades to wilden an artificial island, regardless of the size

[–] Hux@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago