Remember remember the 11th of September.... wait that doesn't sound right
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Why, what happened on the 9th of November?
I dunno, but remember, remember the fifth of November.
Disclaimer: am not American nor Western
I remember this day. Was a wee lad. We were on vacation. The TV was on and apparently it was the news. I don't remember if it's breaking news but it might not be, since we're 12 ish hours different time zones, and I remember seeing it at day time.
Well, back then I thought it was a movie...
And the eerie part was that my dad had just gotten back home from a business trip there just a few days before.
what i kinda don't get about this whole thing ... is that kinda, in other countries (look at the middle east), they get bombed daily and none of you bats an eye (well, some do, but still, this has been going on for 50 years and i hardly ever hear anyone talking about it). meanwhile you get one terrorist attack and everyone's supposed to lose their minds over this.
It's just so blown up because it hurt american pride.
I lost 14 colleagues and none of them were American. Was the response overblown? Yes. But it's called the "World" Trade center for a reason.
The US never gets attacked. There's an ally to the north, an ally to the south, and two big fucking oceans to the east and west. So, when it does happen, it's a pretty big deal.
racism i think. that time the "supreme race" got attacked
People outside the US dont care or aren't expected to care about 9/11. Americans are loud and own the platforms so it seems like the entire world but its really just them treating the entire internet like an American fourm.
People in NZ still schzio out about a French terrorist attack that happened to us 40 years ago. I still see news bring it up.
I mean, it's a terrorist attack involving multiple simultaneous plane hijacks crashing into the center of one of the most populated cities in the world. Not that we should rank terrorism, but...
Control the media, control the mind.
It's not about the actual casualties and destruction, it's about how you can spin it into your favour.
American Democracy got suckered for over 20 years to put oligarchs in power.
America has been punching and kicking countless countries since WWII, causing thousands if not millions of deaths (Iraqi "freedom" alone caused like 300.000 Iraqi deaths IIRC) and the second that somebody punches back and gives them a bloody nose its all crying and needing to make 50 movies about the heroes of that day, and of course it was immediately used to implement the "patriot" act (hint, it has shit to do with patriotism and everything with making the IS an autocratic state)
I get it, of course. For the individuals that died or were injured that day, it's a tragedy, but as a country? They completely deserved it and much, much more
What it was used to justify is unforgivable, but please remember that a population of ~350m people is not a monolith. Our government is garbage, but many of us were aware of what was being done in the name of "national security" and protesting /voting against it at the time.
You’re spot on, and that said tragedy was exploited to do even more cruelty makes it even worse
Do you think maybe there's a way to phrase that where you're not saying that 2,000 innocent people deserved to die?
Did he go to a Waldorf school? I heard that's a thing. Like they just collectively tried to keep kids from knowing about it.
He could be 20 and not american.
What is that and what would even be the point of that
Edit: looked it up.
Many Waldorf schools have faced controversy due to Steiner's connections to racist ideology[7][8][9] and magical thinking.[discuss] Others have faced regulatory audits and closure due to concerns over substandard treatment of children with special educational needs.[10] Critics of Waldorf education point out the mystical nature of anthroposophy and the incorporation of Steiner's esoteric ideas into the curriculum.[11][12] Waldorf schools have also been linked to the outbreak of infectious diseases due to the vaccine hesitancy of many Waldorf parents.[13][14][15]
Actual lol. Magical thinking.
Go research Rudolf Steiner if you want to know more about "magical thinking". The dude was completely insane but somehow seemed charismatic enough to kick off several esoteric movements. He just made up the most insane shit about all kinds of fields: Agriculture, education, medicine to name some of the most popular ones. Steiner is one of the main reasons why esoteric thinking is so prevalent in today's Germany.
A Waldorf school is like a regular school but with apple and walnuts
“Why’s it called 9/11 if it happened in September though?”
Because it happened on 2001-09-11 in the One True Date Format.
I’ve just barely survived a date format discussion and this is the first comment I read after. God dammit
It's named after their emergency number. Lots of people dialed 911 that day.
No, there used to be 9/11 buildings there. Don't know about the two missing ones. Two buildings were attackes. Now there's 7/11
Noo, you see, there where 11 buildings and after the 2 towers got taken down, there where now 9/11 buildings!
2001 or 1973?
I quit my first real job on 9/11. I watched the buildings go down, walked into the deli I hated working at and said, "life is too short." Which for an 18 year old me was a pretty big move.
I had a job in Colorado at a small 20-30 person company, including two devout muslim immigrant men from Afghanistan. OMG, they were freaking the fuck out, thinking people were going to come drag them out of the office and murder them in the parking lot. Everybody had their back and tried to calm them down, but boy, they were so stressed out.
Americans went nuts after 9/11. It was weird how all of a sudden, it was ok to be openly racist. Up to then, I knew older people were racist, but were being shamed into keeping quiet and it was fading from younger generations, but 9/11 set all that back. They were right to be scared.
Had a French teacher in high school who was from Morocco, and Muslim. He had some pretty harrowing stories from the years following 9/11. Said the harassment started immediately that day, before he had even seen the news.
The most extreme of them involved him and his family being targeted at home with a drive-by shooting. Said some of the rounds missed his daughter by inches right where she was sleeping.
There were several different attacks, and attempted attacks, which varied in the level of violence, but all were random acts of opportunity during otherwise hum-drum quotidien activities, like grocery shopping and pumping gas. Literal IRL terrorism, but the perpetrators were always white so.. y'know.
He recounted the feeling of being hunted as urban prey by bat-guano crazy rednecks...chilling.
That vibe quieted down by the 2010s, but now it's come roaring back. MAGA is like three 9/11s in a trench coat.
He is either not a US American, or the "Never Forget" nation forgot to properly teach him.
I live in one of those "never forget" nations that promised to never forget something... but it seems that we, too, managed to forget.
Hallöchen.
It's why, out of habit, I call them the 9/11 attacks since that's a websearch-able term that will yield informative results. I am often caught flat footed, not knowing things that are assumed to be common knowledge.
I would like to offer some perspective to the Americans upset the world doesn't revolve around them. And share a terrorist act from my country, that I know you lot won't know about.
But most of you lot celebrate the party that did it so, maybe it won't land well.