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WRT54G were the best shit back then. So much choice with firmware, loved the Tomato firmware and its flexible QoS. Good times.

So this sounds like a bad thing then...

Like if having gpl code in free bsd forced all these companies to be more open with their software, and now they can be more closed with it, isn't that bad?

WRT was the only reason some of those routers were even usable.

yeah I liked that bsd really kept to the unix style but license wise gpl is what I respect.

Both licenses were made before late stage capitalism started in earnest, and when the Net was young, so there's the matter of perspective.
Imho the GPL was born out of ideology, whereas the BSD was out of a murican university environment (i.e. preparing proto-capitalists to enter the market).
The debate is endless.

If freebsd was copyleft PlayStation would've never used it in the first place. Same as the BSD TCP/IP stack with windows.

To play devil's advocate for a second - no-one is stealing anything, the code is still right where it was. If I willingly give someone a sandwich, did they steal it? Of course not. There was a reason that PS chose FreeBSD, and it was because of the licence. If FreeBSD used the GPL then PS wouldn't have used it, hence there never would have been a FreeBSD gaming OS either way.

It's not stealing when you willingly allow someone to use it however they want. OpenBSD writes: "We want to make available source code that anyone can use for ANY PURPOSE, with no restrictions. We strive to make our software robust and secure, and encourage companies to use whichever pieces they want to." If your goal is to polish something like OpenSSH until it's as good as it can be, the world is better off when robust and secure software spread, also into proprietary systems. When companies use OpenSSH, it does not take away anything from OpenBSD, they are not competitors.

i believe it has the advantage of corporate interests not affecting the projects direction. i think linux is doing ok now (other than way too much redhat stuff) but i'm not sure if this is gonna continue after linus is gone.

Copy pasting my other reply about the same thing:

I would argue that BSD licensing keeps projects more free of corporate influence if started by hobbyists.

Corpo forks BSD/Apache/whatever software, doesn't publish source, nerds don't use it and look for the original, the end.

Corpo forks copyleft software, publishes releases on GutHib with literal zip files in the repo semi annually. Original maintainer gets taunted with "but the corpo one has feature X, the code is free, you should use it". If they don't merge it, they get labeled an egoist and people go use the corporate one. If they do merge it, eventually the entire project gets bloated and barely readable, is held together by @redhat.com patches, and eventually all development is just corporate decisions. There's no escape.

You know, we are all victims of it ourselves. I am using Firefox rn. There was little to no "conversion" as they started out corporate. They have patches merged from the Tor people for actual privacy, although removed from the settings because "meh, nobody would want that" (sponsors would disapprove). The privacy they are marketing for normies is a list of like 20 domains.

Yeah uh so we are very private by default, there's no google tracking but if a site loads an ad or a youtube embed there's google tracking, also we block embeds for privacy except specifically youtube.

It's all corporate decisions. While I don't use the specific variant(s) and didn't observe it, I once saw the Firefox home page on someone else's device. It was football stats followed by "sponsored links". I thought it was Edge for a second.

And there's no escape. Web pages are no longer actual pages oftentimes, they are fat blobs of 3 language conversions on top of each other targeting only the specific 3 (sometimes 2) big brand web browsers as the backend: Firefox, Chromium and Apple's Webkit fork. They are all corporate. The fat blob generators are also corporate.

Well, Sony contributes, but not as much as Netflix (mostly by paying for development, especially LLVM development)

Apple hired the founder of LLVM and paid him to work on LLVM.

LLVM is pretty important to FreeBSD.

Plenty of big companies contribute to BSD financially or let their devs commit code to BSD because maintaining your own fork is tedious work and the smaller your changes from the upstream source, the easier your life.

Unfortunately most companies don't have a software culture or even understand it. Heck there are entire nations (like Japan) that are culturally at odds with software. It doesn't stop them from making software (you can't NOT make software in today's day and age), they just go about it in furtive, roundabout and ultimately very inefficient ways.

It's weird because modern software development borrows heavily from industrial process optimizations (some of which were invented and perfected in Japan, ironically) and there are clear, proven benefits to cooperation upstream in projects like Linux... and yet they still fight it every step of the way in the name of "IP".

It doesn't help either that there are countries (US, Japan, what do you know) that nurture the concept of software patents that have a chilling effect on sharing.

BSD is a permissive license that allows sometime to take the code and update/change it as they see fit. There are no requirements to publish those changes, and I believe you can license it under a different license.

GPL on the other hand does require that you publish your changes, and that those changes also be licensed under GPL. Thus also requires that a company does due diligence and states what pieces of code they used were GPL and give credit

So in removing the last bit of GPL code, someone can take FreeBSD and do whatever they want without having to worry about what pieces of code might fall under different licenses.