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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/49853131

Feels to me like GrapheneOS did exactly what it should, passing the US border test with flying colours!

Funny part about this lawsuit: “With a little planning ahead of time, you can always download the data you need once you get to where you’re going,”

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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Sounds like the border guard wiped his phone, not him.

[–] slumdogego@slrpnk.net 19 points 2 days ago (11 children)

why are they so concerned about what you OWN

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can't control people without controlling things. And vice versa.

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[–] Archr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This whole situation is making me strongly consider bringing a burner phone on my next vacation. That way I can wipe it before going through customs.

[–] Hubi@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I did something similar when I last visited the US ~15 years ago. I uploaded an encrypted backup of my phone to a server in my home country and reset the device. I then downloaded and restored the backup when I arrived at the hotel.

[–] spitfire@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

„I think this case serves as a reminder that authorities may argue you knowingly destroyed data, so it’s better to not have that data on you when you cross certain borders.” Wow that’s an advice fitting entering Russia, Iran, etc. Nice club you’ve joined here

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Would be cool to have your device partitioned by separate passwords, so you could unlock a dummy system.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is an excellent idea honestly.

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[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

yes you can. On Graphene you can set the main profile as just there with nothing except to control wifi/add esim/etc. Then you can create many profiles with their own passwords. You can store your work stuff in 1 profile, private stuff in another. You can even create a dummy profile with fake Google. .

The downside currently is that the OS autoboot to main profile. Then you switch to your other profiles.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Yeah I wonder what the penalty is for doing something legal with something you own.

[–] spitfire@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

„unlawful to knowingly destroy or damage property to prevent authorities from seizing it” - but did it fucking explode, catch on fire, or blew some fuse on the phone or in any other way prevented it from working? No, they (not him) just wiped the data. I didn’t know deleting files off YOUR OWN DEVICE is a crime. I need to think twice before I empty trash on my computer next time.

[–] madeindex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

100/100 remark!!!

[–] terezi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 122 points 4 days ago (2 children)

this was a streisand effect for me because i didn't have duress password set up on my grapheneos phone (security & privacy => device unlock) before but i do now! :D

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

On GrapheneOS, you can also set a "second factor PIN" in the unlock settings under "Fingerprint Unlock", so that to unlock your screen you need to first use the fingerprint unlock and then separately enter your PIN. This means BOTH are required every time you unlock. Your phone can't be unlocked unless it's your finger AND unless you enter the PIN that only you know.

And under the Screen Lock settings you can also enable "Scramble PIN input layout", so that the number buttons on your unlock screen will be out of order, so people watching you or recording you can't just make note of the shape your index finger is making when touching the numbers to unlock your phone(like people looking over your shoulder or recording on store security cameras).

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[–] madeindex@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (1 children)

best promotion ever haha What is it? FU-123?

[–] volore@scribe.disroot.org 36 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (14 children)

I imagine the best duress PIN is something you'd actually see a "normal" person set as a PIN, like their birth year or something innocuous and easy to remember (and easily believed by whoever's demanding your PIN), while their real PIN would be longer or more abstract.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 46 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

claimed they did not need a warrant to search Tunick’s phone because he had not yet crossed the U.S. border.

Also no right to search / seize his phone then. US law doesn't apply on non-US soil.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

If it's not US soil, it's not a detention, it's a rendition, a kidnapping.

Also, I don't know how citizenship works I this respect in the US, but in my country a citizen cannot be denied entry. It can be detained upon entering, but by then you are in sovereign soil.

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[–] spitfire@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But what law/rights do apply there?

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 101 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (21 children)

Perfectly legal. Unless they were legally charged and ordered by a court to preserve data considered to be used in a crime, they can't be charged with shit. Cops don't dictate this, courts do, AND that scope only applies to an active prosecution anyway.

[–] Sinax@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago

Legality seems to be a fairytale concept in the USA, except for oligarchs. They get full legal coverage.

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[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

GrapheneOS - the only OS that i just installed and forget about it. Sure i spend time to tweak things like profiles but thats it.

And I am a distro and rom hopper.

The security model is that good: duress pin, scrambled pin, separate profiles with their own passwords, usb c restriction (you can set it charge only, charge while phone is off (most secure state).

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[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 76 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is why I'm never going to the US until all this shit is fixed. Which will probably be never

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 45 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Tourists going to the US and US residents leaving should take a burner phone.

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[–] Strider@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (14 children)

I lost interest of ever visiting again when they started collecting fingerprints from everyone visiting.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Good.

That's legal, fuck you. It's my data, and I want it (gone) now!

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[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What? US police can ask you for the phone password? No way! That is 100% police state. Stalin was amateur comparing to present day USA.

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes US citizens cannot be compelled to provide a password, but biometrics such as fingerprint or Face ID can. Disable these when crossing into the US.

Non citizens can be detained and rejected for not providing access to a device via password. Best to bring a second device if you must enter. Depressing times.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 1 points 2 days ago

Non citizens can be detained and rejected for not providing access to a device via password. Best to bring a second device if you must enter. Depressing times.

Or simply do not go to the US and let them to rot in their own madness

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I don't believe you can be compelled to provide a password. That does after all (at the very least) constitute speech. And freedom of speech is also freedom of non-speech, they can't make you say something.

They will however try to make you do that... In many situations authorities are allowed to lie to you. So that's sucks. They can tell you that you're required to unlock your phone, you just have to know that your not actually.

Also they can't make you say anything, but they can make you do things, like for instance "put your finger here" or "look into this camera", which is why biometric unlock is unsafe around cops.

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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 58 points 4 days ago
[–] db2@lemmy.world 66 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Good. Annoying to rebuild his phone, but better than handing it to fascists who don't even have a lawful court order for it.

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[–] fearlessseraphim@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

I just heard about this yesterday and it's very interesting and fascinating to me, how the duress PIN worked if a situation like this arose. I cannot think that GrapheneOS team for implementing such a feature. Lowkey want the team's input on this. 🥰

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

He would have had a lot better legal leg to stand on I think if he had just refused to give them any passcode. Now instead of a potential case of being forced to compel speech, he is facing what will be argued is an attempt to destroy evidence. His defense in the former is probably a lot stronger with the former than the latter.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does it count as destroying evidence if they don’t have a warrant for it? I can destroy whatever device or document I want. It’s my property

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To charge someone with destroying evidence wouldn't they first have to somehow prove the evidence existed?

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

That’s it. I’m getting a burner phone if I leave the country.

Edit: Serious question… what if you just wiped your phone and then restored it when you got wherever you were going?

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