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    [–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 79 points 4 weeks ago (10 children)

    I first installed Linux in 1995, before I had a second computer where I could look for help. Compared to that experience today's situation is paradise. So you won't hear me complain.

    [–] homes@piefed.world 24 points 4 weeks ago

    Oh, I remember that. Red hat 2.0. Where you had to download the source code for all of the floppy discs, compile them, and then write all of the floppies. I remember it was 7 floppy discs, 13 if you wanted printer drivers.

    It wasn’t until Red Hat 2.5 that they had pre-compiled floppy images you could download.

    [–] joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 weeks ago

    I went to one of my BBS friends houses in the early 90s and he had a giant book on how to install Slackware

    [–] comador@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Similarly, I ordered floppies for Slackware from Walmut Creek. Spent weeks screaming at my system for not being able to get a 256k Tulip VLB ISA video card to init into X before I found my first Linux BBS on I think DalNET... times were... different.

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    [–] Pudutr0n@lemmy.world 46 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)
    [–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 40 points 4 weeks ago (13 children)

    I feel like someone tired of hearing “it works on my computer” is how NixOS came about

    [–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
    [–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Docker’s like “well why don’t we just ship the client your computer then?”

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    [–] viertesauge@feddit.org 11 points 4 weeks ago

    "this specific issue wouldnt happen if you had just installed distro youve never heard of before"

    [–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 35 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

    Whatever distro you're using is literally the worst one.

    [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 26 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Not only is it the absolute worst, but you're also using it wrong

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    [–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 28 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)
    [–] notabot@piefed.social 15 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Back in the dim and distant past, when I first studied CS, we were literally told to run that as one of the first commands we tried. It's an excellent place to start if you have the time to learn unix/linux thoroughly.

    [–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    I should probably read that. TBH I've been piping longer manpages into a text editor, and I definitely don't want to do that when I haven't installed my text editor of choice for whatever reason (I hear sometimes you just don't have sudo rights when you're working on someone else's system).

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    [–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 26 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Is there a golden retriever labelled “random person on IRC with answers to all questions, writes a driver for you so you do t have to enter that house”

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    [–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    I find this to be one of those memes that's not actually based on facts but on feelings. If you ask a question that could have been answered by a quick search, or asked a very vague question, then sure. Otherwise, I find that the linux and FOSS community as a whole tends to be extremely helpful and patient. Yes, there are assholes, but overall the community is full of people willing to help.

    [–] oeuf@slrpnk.net 9 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Yeah, I've found everyone to be kind, patient and helpful to me since day 1 - not a single bitchy reply that I can remember. Been using Linux for about 3 years now.

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    [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

    The people might be great if you're chatting on discord or something, but if you're just trying to Google the answer, results tend to get a lot of variations of these answers.

    [–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

    Yup, there are a lot of old forum posts that basically boil down to:

    Lost user (0 comments/1 posts): Hey, I’m having a weird error and haven’t been able to find anything about it. Sorry if this is a newbie question, but I’ve already tried searching for it and have come up empty-handed:
    {Detailed error description}
    {Detailed instructions to recreate error}
    {Debug level logs showing the error}

    Forum mod (1,234,567 comments/65,535 posts): {Insert any/all of the following: RTFM/This could be fixed with a simple command (without posting what the command is)/It works on my machine/Just run sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root / and go back to Windows, Skill issue, Duplicate post (without linking to the post that has an answer), etc…} Closing this post.

    [–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    I guess I'm just really lucky, because I almost never run into those. Sometimes I find the good ol' xkcd DenverCoder9 problem:

    Lost user: (Random Monday Five Years Ago, 7:00 pm) Hey, here's your exact problem, down to the specific language on the error message even.

    Lost user: (Random Monday Five Years Ago, 8:30 pm) nvm figured it out

    But even more often than that I actually get frustrated in the other direction:

    Lost user: Hey, I'm having a problem with totally-not-grombl.

    Experienced user: Oh yeah, I've seen that. Just run sudo grombl reload -skqq --xbs-juju '2793' and then restart your desktop environment.

    Lost user: Oh thanks, that totally worked!

    Meanwhile I'm like...but why did that work?! It was a completely different package and there's no indication why the two would even be related...? And sure, it did work, but I've learned nothing now.

    [–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

    Dependencies. It’s always frickin’ dependencies.

    Or systemd.

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    [–] KindaABigDyl@programming.dev 19 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

    Tbf, those are sometimes valid responses, the new user just doesn't realize what they're asking is dumb, and it's exhausting to deal with when a bit of reading would solve the problem or show them what they're asking is impossible.

    [–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    I used to be a mod on a forum for a fairly popular free program, and we generally treated even that like an information availability problem. Yes, we had an FAQ (and yes, sometimes even still people wouldn't read it), but when there were a ton of similar questions that were all answered in the FAQ, we figured that meant that the FAQ needed a rewrite for better SEO.

    [–] mirshafie@europe.pub 18 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Ultra-rare sane person randomly appears on the internet

    [–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 12 points 4 weeks ago

    I'm not even joking, that's literally the best compliment I've received all month. Thank you.

    [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 10 points 4 weeks ago

    With the poor quality of the search engine results and the fact that information expires I very much disagree with this line of thought. Bit of reading solves the problem when you know what to read and understand what was written. It's very easy to spend hours reading all sorts of things (because you don't know exactly what you're looking for) and then discover half of what you read is now 3-5 years old information and no longer relevant.

    I know how easy it is because I spent days troubleshooting why my USB wifi stick wouldn't work. Most of the information I found was from when you needed to manually add the driver and was no longer relevant. What relevant information I did find, nothing matched the issue I was having. In the end I didn't care to bother anyone with a 5 year old wifi dongle because I'd probably run into people like you who'd tell me to RTFM before even bothering to understand the actual problem. Instead I solved the problem by buying a new dongle, one that I knew had been tested and worked. But someone else might have a far more expensive piece of hardware that they can't just replace on a whim.

    Let people ask their questions and if it really takes just a bit of reading why not take that 5 minutes to point them to the right place? How many days do they have to waste of their own before they're allowed to ask their stupid question that you could answer in 5 minutes?

    [–] fork@feddit.online 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    This. I had an issue a couple months ago. I posted on the distro's form with a much info as I could provide and some real smart people gave me a ton of help really quickly.

    Knowing how to ask and not being abrasive is really helpful.

    [–] YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 11 points 4 weeks ago

    Lol, posting what you read, tried, error codes, and what's installed and your hardware gives you a very high chance on getting a civil reply. It shows you're trying.

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    [–] starchylemming@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    manual? website? all information is on a badly organised slightly hostile discord server

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    [–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 12 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

    But I have Hannah Montana Linux. What do?

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    [–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago

    ”Why do you want to do that?”

    [–] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 weeks ago

    PR are welcome

    Frankly if more software was like that we'd have these issues so much better. So many maintainers are so protective that they won't even read a bug fix PR and just close it.

    [–] khanh@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    i'd rather die than read a man page

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    I use Arch, btw. You should have installed Arch too. It crashes sometimes and I got malware a couple of times, but most of the time, if I troubleshoot it just right, it'll show me my desktop. But, hey at least it's at the latest version and has the latest features so I can brag about it. But you should just use Arch, bro. It's the best, bro.

    [–] Reznik@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

    "Works on my system" and that's why we have flatpak. 😉

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    [–] Thorry@feddit.org 6 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

    Did you check out the last commit on the source? It would have told you exactly what you needed to know instead of wasting all of our time. It's called common courtesy...

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    [–] gjoel@programming.dev 6 points 4 weeks ago

    This worked for me [sudo force delete root]!

    [fork bomb] is a cryptic but easy solution.

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