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[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 75 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

There are a few forms or levels of racism. There are people who really believe the narrative, some who question some of it, and others who are aware it's bullshit but accept it because it benefits them or going against the narrative could be harmful for themselves. In short humans will craft whatever story they need to justify behavior they want without any concerns for logical consistency. You can see this behavior in racism now and of course many other aspects of society and human behavior. Humans are storytellers, more so than logical beings.

Funny enough Benjamin Franklin has a short story on this. He as a vegetarian was lamenting his compatriots catching, killing, and cooking fish, listing all the reasons it's immoral until he begins to smell the delicious fish and then starts writing about how maybe it's not so bad, is fine, is even his god given right to eat the fish. The moral being humans can and will justify whatever they want to do. Also I'm aware of his own connection to slavery and inhumane practices.

[–] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (13 children)

And so the billionaires win again as we fight to justify not being assholes to one another.

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Those in power want to maintain power which is much easier if the people are divided, particularly on subjects not involving the people in power.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

They didn't become billionaires by not being ass holes

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Have you ever seen the movie Se7en with Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman? I don't know a single person who wouldn't do what Brad Pitt did at the end of that movie. Not a single person. And I wouldn't blame them either.

Just the other day someone posted on here that their uncle died from covid after getting sucked into the alt-right pseudo-medicine rabbit hole. And the comments were all just vile shit like "I'm glad your dumbass uncle died" and "1 down only like 20 million to go", "good riddance he deserved it" etc. And when I point out shit talking this guy for losing someone he loved is fucked up I get downvoted lol. We can't even come together online, let alone in person.

Whoever is running things know that we simply cannot get along, we cannot forgive each other, we cannot unite. It's their greatest tool honestly. Could you forgive maga?

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[–] Forester@pawb.social 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If I remember correctly, mind you it's been over two decades probably but the defining point at which he decides it's okay to eat the fish is when he notices that the fish had been eating other fish when they fillayed it

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Uhhh I don't know what I should do with this information.

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

It's just generally beneficial to be aware. Besides that, if you are interacting with someone who is bigoted in some way it's useful to determine which type they are. If they are just sold to the narrative then it's easier to open up their mind. If they are aware it's bullshit that just benefits them then it's pretty difficult.

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[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"You don't understand; my house ****** is one of the good ones."

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Better than being "sold down the river". Very few people stand up and fight for the good, the true, and the just.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 month ago

Bigotry isn't a reasonable position, so it's pretty expected to find contradictions and brain dead takes from bigots

[–] VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'm not a historian but I believe the sad truth is that they saw them like animals; capable of being trained to do jobs but not smart enough to understand more complex issues or choose the tasks themselves

Like a dog. You can train your dog to guard your house or hunt birds but you probably don't trust your dog to vote

It's fucked up

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I've seen how people vote. I'd take the chances with the dogs.

One Sunday morning I walked out into my ex's open garage and sitting in there was a stray dog. Her neck fur had a mark as though someone recently pulled off her collar and dumped her on the back road. I calmly approached the dog and turns out she was the sweetest doggo and instantly got along with my ex's other 2 dogs. She rarely barked and would always just walk up to some, sit and wait to get petted. Even the ex's dad who doesn't like dogs eventually warmed up to her because of how sweet she was.

Weeks later we took her to an event downtown on an unseasonably hot fall afternoon beer fest. That dog wanted nothing more than to just get pet by as many people as possible. Sitting outside a brewery was a worker sitting in a chair almost drenched in sweat looking like he hated life. She walked up to him, sat down and looked at him, and he instantly smiled.

Working one of the beer tents was an interim director of HR who was one of the most miserable shit-birds I ever had the displeasure to work with. Did nothing but complain about everything and everyone, blindly blamed everyone for things she simply didn't understand, I even nearly got written up because this lady didn't take the time to read my explanation about an error report when new employees are loaded into a benefits system. Even the dog wanted nothing to do with that miserable fuck.

I'll trust the dogs to be a better judge of character than half the mouthbreathers who vote at the polls.

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[–] whereitsat@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 month ago

they are though.

anyone who grew up in the american suburbs grew up with parents who couldn't cook a proper meal despite the existence of cookbooks and were like 'how about kraft dinner.'

you think you eat kraft macaroni and cheese at a hood bbq?

i'd rather have had a black woman cooking for me lol. are you fucking serious?

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why should I be bigoted over skin color when I can be bigoted over culture and religion. After all I have met good folks of many ethnic and racial groups, I have yet to meet a Utah Mormon whomst I didn't want to feed to the Joshua Trees.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can be bigoted over culture and religion

I have yet to meet a Utah Mormon whomst I didn’t want to feed to the Joshua Trees.

I'm always thrown back to the Southpark guys when I think about lay Mormons. The whole "All About Mormons" episode (nevermind the Book of Mormon stage play) absolutely eviscerates the philosophy. But their attitude to actual religious practitioners is inevitably that they're just nice, simple-minded people. And going after any individual Mormon for their faith is a bit like going up to Santa Claus exhibit at the mall and screaming "Fake! Fake! It's all bullshit consumerism! Your parents are buying the presents!"

There's definitely shit people who are Mormon (Mitt Romney being the ur-example). But then there's shit people in every religious and philosophical niche. My cousin is married to a practicing Mormon and he's an absolute marshmallow sweetheart. All smiles, great with kids, quick to help anyway he can. Soft spoken, non-judgemental, a shameless teatoddler who is always happy to be the designated driver. You can raz him for being a bit bland and he'll laugh at your jokes, then maybe tease you about having had one too many coffees.

It's the people who are easy to bully and scare and intimidate that can make for a very dangerous "Silent Majority", because they'll just kinda go along to get along. But they're also fundamental to a peaceful, productive, and happy society when benevolent and visionary leaders are at the helm. If your society is all contrarian, belligerent, hard-drinking, fist-clenching, radical revolutionary/reactionary agitprop breathing soldiers of fortune, what you get is just endless fighting and misery and slaughter.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Ya do realize I have more reason to hate Utah Mormons than just they're different right? I specifically focus on the Utahn culture and religious practices of Mormons because I see them as an active threat to basically every western state. If I could get away with just purging BYU, LDS HQ, and the Utahn government I'd be more than happy to settle for that, I just severely doubt that would end my complaints.

If it makes it any more understandable I am far less forgiving towards Evangelical mega churches, which all I can think is that there are only viable targets for such groups.

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[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

What a silly question, of course they are

[–] czer0_@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago
[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Always have been.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Yes. Yes, racists are retarded. There is no logical reason to harbour discrimination towards any ethnic group or rage of Humans. Therefore, those who do aren't logical or rational individuals.

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

A racist is what happens when someone runs out of neural plasticity due to conditioning from a young age. They aren’t interested in your opinion because their brains have no space left for anything but bigotry. That means a condition where new synaptic connections between neurons can no longer form due to preexisting crystallised connections occupying the same volume. They literally can’t change their mind without tearing something down first.

There is a literal forbidden metabolic cost to changing how they think, and since bigotry is embedded as a core value, taking that out is impossible without tearing them down and building them back up from a ground state.

You’ll find echoes of this same phenomenon in all walks of life. Religious fundamentalists/zealots/extremists of any religion exhibit this, and also “militant” atheists. It also applies to ideology. Communist vs Capitalist vs Socialist. We’re all blends of beliefs that want to be known.

I’m going to be downvoted hard for this, but you’ll know the type.

Note if you’re wondering: I am Muslim and I practice my faith. So long it harms and obstructs no one, practicing and taking pride in your faith (or lackthereof) is a healthy expression of freedom, my views are my own opinions and I welcome dialogue in place of a meaningless downvote.

[–] TheSambassador@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (23 children)

This kinda has bro science vibes. We don't have nearly enough of an understanding of the brain to make statements like this.

[–] phx@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I kinda feel it does make sense, though perhaps not so strongly as the parent indicated. Young brains are more malleable - that's pretty much a known thing - and learning at a young age sets in high knowledge and patterns of learning that follow us through adulthood.

If one learns a certain thing from a young age and it's pretty much been driven in multiple ways - indoctrination whether intentional or otherwise - that's a lot of stuff that's been set pretty hard. Even it somebody is actively aware it's bad it can be hard to adjust one's inclination towards a certain way of thinking.

I'm not trying to make excuses for racism - because frankly a lot of those people don't even try to adjust their thinking - but breaking free from one's upbringing is not a small hurdle and I'd put it in similar terms to breaking a bad addiction.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Let's solve racism by drugging entire cities with LSD!! (Not sarcastic)

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

I don't think LSD has the capacity to change someone that doesn't already want to change.

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[–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 7 points 1 month ago

Yes, and also, I don't think they liked their children that much

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago

Read "The Autobiography of Malcolm X"

Plenty of Black people were ready to accept the situation.

Calling someone 'African' used to be a huge insult.

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Based 4chan

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