How hard is it to implement email verification?
How is it login with YouTube and login with Google two different things. It's the same login.
What website is this?
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How hard is it to implement email verification?
Securely? Very fucking difficult.
No it’s not.
Sorry, yes it is. I’d really prefer it if software developers would take this more seriously. Managing user credentials is a high risk burden that you should avoid if possible.
securely
I feel conflicted. OAuth gets a lot correct in so far as most sites don't have to deal with a lot of difficult auth bits, but also I don't like having to rely on big (usually social media) companies to be the auth source.
I think about dnssec a lot.
It feels to me like there should be some form of public key infrastructure where there is a global root key (or short list of) then providers that can issue certificates out to other smaller organizations or individuals who could then use that source of trust to prove who they are. Imagine OAuth but you could just fill in your provider of choice (self hosted?) and if the certs checked out everything would verify correctly.
That being said who does the bits around ensuring that you are who you say you are. I suppose a government body running such a system could work though I sweat at the idea of going to the dmv to reset a forgotten password or report a stolen identity.
Idk maybe if I think about this enough I can come up with a cryptography secure system...
Just as long as it can be run in capitalism!
I can see how they got there from the implementation side. There's a library they used for their site, maybe a CMS, where all those choices are just a click away. But for email they have to get their hands on an SMTP server. And that takes non-zero effort.
Exactly this
How hard is it to implement email verification?
Harder, actually.
That's the point of OAuth, which is what you're seeing there.
The idea is that you're you and you have a... google account. This shitty little website doesn't want to be responsible for you login details, because those can get stolen. Maybe they contain an email address, which is a problem. Software needs to be updated, it's all a big. They don't want to touch anything in terms of security that identifies you as you.
Maybe all the website does is save your favorite pepe memes. They don't need anything else from you, but they still need to have something to get a user id and make sure nobody messes with your pepe meme collection. That's where this system comes in, because the rest of website becomes significantly easier. They don't need to store anything personally identifying, all they get is an ID and they can connect it with your pepes.
The only downside to OAuth is, as you can also see, that it's corpos you don't want to trust that are offering it.
Most users outside of Lemmy dgaf about corpos if it saves them having to type in an email address on their phone and get it right and then go to their email and then hit refresh a few times before going back and hitting send again and then checking their spam folder
But most oauth implementations use the user email as identifier so they get the email anyway
All the smarter ones don't because an email can change, your google account unique id will not, that's the purpose of account IDs.
I won't deny that many people/websites probably do use email though. Which is bad. But I can't deny that that probably is what is happening.
Yeah, some of the same reason everyone uses stripe or PayPal for payment systems. If the site itself handles the cc info it holds all the liability, and has to pass rigorous POC testing and compliance.
Okay, but where is the link to this Pepe memes page?
Unfortunately that was just an example.
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While I get that, it is still unfortunate that no open-source, trusted variant can be part of the usual ways.
That's... mostly because of popularity and it depends on whether some service is offering OAuth and if the website in question is using THAT identity provider.
For example, mastodon is technically offering it.
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/16221
but this is the docs page:
https://docs.joinmastodon.org/admin/optional/sso/
So the answer in this case is to just grow, promote and support what we're already doing: fediverse stuff.
Actually, there are some open-source self-hosted alternatives like Hydra but no one implements it :( I have seen only 1 site that support it
There's really no reason something like that couldn't exist. A foundation would just have to decide to dedicate the resources to it.
The issue is it would have to gain significant adoption in order for web admins to think to include it. This list here is actually a lot larger than you usually see. It's often just the big 2 or 3.
I might trust Mozilla and I already have an account...
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Was just about to say getting Auth right is super hard. Getting someone else to do it for you is a godsend.
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If I don’t have the option to use email or continue as guest I refuse to use whatever the site or app is.
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It reminds of this:
There were more options on the website, but I forgot the name of the website, and I cannot find it now... :(
What!? I can't even log in using my PornHub credentials? Fucking amateurs.
Don't worry. That option was there as well.
However, depending on the website it may require your watch history before allowing you to login.
If i cant log in with an independent email then I'm not logging in.
I had the same problem yesterday as I was investigating tailscale. And while I get it for that service, there's no reason for some of the other services that ask me to link my other accounts to them as a means of logging in.
No. I will not consolidate my log-in profiles under companies that dont see me as a person, care about my privacy, and are working with hostile governments to track me.
Semi-Anonymous or nothing. Period.
I host my own headscale instead
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No login with GitHub or X? Tsk tsk
People need to stop using xitter
I haven’t “used it” in years. I just keep the account alive because of OAuth and other factors.
If you log in with social media, they get more than your email address. Data mining.
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Yes, I prefer an Email/password, too, so to depend less on third-parties, and keep it more transparent.
Yet, OAuth/OpenID is significantly easier legally and financially than Email processing (even via outsourced services as MailChimp) and store someone's personal information as Email address in databases, if compared to a social account ID, in long term.
Not only that, but OAuth providers have APIs to get sufficient User information, and regularly actualize, including: Name, Email (yet, by requested/allowed scope only), activity on that social network as posts/channels/followers count etc., which may be a requirement for their Staff/algorithms to determine the priorities for transactions/support and/or security involved.
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I've always hated that shit. Why would I want to add dependencies to my fucking logins?
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