Today I Learned
What did you learn today? Share it with us!
We learn something new every day. This is a community dedicated to informing each other and helping to spread knowledge.
The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:
Rules (interactive)
Rule 1- All posts must begin with TIL. Linking to a source of info is optional, but highly recommended as it helps to spark discussion.
** Posts must be about an actual fact that you have learned, but it doesn't matter if you learned it today. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.**
Rule 2- Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.
Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.
Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.
Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.
Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.
That's it.
Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.
Posts and comments which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.
Rule 6- Regarding non-TIL posts.
Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-TIL posts using the [META] tag on your post title.
Rule 7- You can't harass or disturb other members.
If you vocally harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.
Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.
For further explanation, clarification and feedback about this rule, you may follow this link.
Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.
Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.
Let everyone have their own content.
Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.
Unless included in our Whitelist for Bots, your bot will not be allowed to participate in this community. To have your bot whitelisted, please contact the moderators for a short review.
Partnered Communities
You can view our partnered communities list by following this link. To partner with our community and be included, you are free to message the moderators or comment on a pinned post.
Community Moderation
For inquiry on becoming a moderator of this community, you may comment on the pinned post of the time, or simply shoot a message to the current moderators.
Originally enacted in 1964 to protect workers during the transition from private to public ownership of mass transit, the provision now blocks the modernization of transit operations: no legacy US heavy-rail system has automated its operations to permit trains to run without onboard crew. In contrast, countries like France and Canada, each with robust labor protections, automate without conflict.
Okay, can we get those robust labor protections first, and then fully automate public transit?
Okay that's it were overturning Brown v. Board of Education.
To each their own. Door.
Any more comments on the law or the Great Orange One and it's magna Carta next
also note the inconsistency that cars are allowed to go self-driving in some circumstances (and those are expanding) while subways are not? even though subways are simpler and safer to automate because they literally only go forward, there's no pedestrians crossing the road, etc.
Long sections of the Los Angeles Metro rail run "at-grade" meaning street level. Pedestrians have been killed at intersections and also by trying to cut across the tracks between official crossings because they're spaced too far apart. Editing to add, cars have also been hit. There are signals and crossing arms but it's possible to get around them. Not 100% sure if it's better having a human in charge since they probably can't stop and will feel bad. But if you're automating, you'd need to program in Asimov's 1st Law.
You basically can't automate unless you have full grade separation
In the aviation world, we have this concept called Pilot In Command. The buck stops with the PIC, they are solely responsible for and the final authority as to the operation of the aircraft. Something goes wrong, it's on the pilot. This is borrowed from the maritime industry.
Meanwhile, we've got driverless cars on the road right now with no clear legal authority over them.
But just the 1st, we all know what happens when you implement all 3.
No... the problem is that they wouldn't have an incentive or even the ability to implement them
So instead of workers rights, we get pointless jobs. Nice.
and worse public transport! :D
Similarly in London, trains on some Underground lines are almost automated. They have drivers, whose job is to push the open/close door buttons at stops and keep an eye on things; once the doors are closed, the train drives itself to the next stop. This is largely to placate the unions.
Partially, not largely.
The TFL would need to spend an absolute fortune to upgrade all the antiquated stations and rolling stock whilst keeping the underground largely functional.
It's just standard rightwing media cant to lay the blame on the unions.
The DLR is fully automated, though there is a fold away drivers position for use when necessary. iirc It never runs at street grade and sometimes does have software issues which makes things interesting.
I am pretty sure the victoria line has drivers for show. It was one of the very first lines to be automated and, at the time, it was thought that passengers would panic if there were no driver, so they kept with tradition.
Maybe it's just me, but I find fully automated transit slightly creepy, at least when it comes to passenger trains. I personally prefer when there's somebody human still on board having an eye on things.
the ideal is automated trains with conductors going back and forth keeping an eye on things and helping people
One of the main underlying causes is that the working class hasn't been allowed to benefit as much from productivity gains due to automation as the Epstein class has.
We've all seem the graph about productivity vs wage, but what it implicates is an intentional divide set up between tech advances and labor rights to paint workers as a bunch of Luddites stifling progress.
UBI and tax code overhaul would help eliminate resistance to applying new technology
Sounds like, as with so many things, we're getting the worst of both worlds. USA! USA! USA!
This isn't just US and it isn't just trains. You're not getting fully automated airplanes either. Risk is just too high
you can't compare trains to airplanes, automated trains are the safest way to travel.
yeah iirc the same is true for airplanes. technically, basically the whole flight could be automated, but for regulatory reasons there always have to be pilot in the cockpit anyways.