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!religiouscringe@midwest.social
If the god sends me to hell for not believing in him after his followers were so cruel, then he is a tyrant and I want nothing to do with him. If he recognizes my goodness and doesn't care whether I had faith in him or not... then it sure sounds like I don't lose.
This is along the lines I think.
If the "God" that exists is the one that has allowed some of the absolute abhorrent acts of the world and condones the hate that some of his followers display then I don't want to go to his idea of eternal heaven or whatever 🤷♀️
That's what people don't get. Threatening that you don't get to go to the heaven of some guy you don't agree with anyway is just not that threatening 😅🤷♀️ it's like trying to threaten a vegan that they're never going to be allowed to go to a steakhouse.
If basically any major religion's god is real, we all lose. They're all fucking giant assholes.
I'm not worshiping an asshole... unless its attached to someone hot.
unless the religions are gatekeeping the real knowledge behind their dogma and twisting it, so they can gain more secular power.
Interestingly, the Christian God doesn't care about your life, only about your soul. And whilst they say belief is the only way to him there's an interesting thing most of these guys intentionally overlook.
If God is infact made of love, as so many claim, only those who are full of love truly believe. Now I ain't saying atheists have more love in them than Christians, but I can say with A LOT of certainty that Christians aint got a lot of love atall
The phrase "there is no hate like Christian love" isn't going away till the Christians do.
― Marcus Aurelius
Wow that's way older than I realized!
I know right? Can’t believe it’s been 26 years since the Gladiator movie came out!!
26 years since the Gladiator movie came out
I feel like the whole concept of souls is just racism. Because for souls to have a concept of existence and value, some sort of identity between life and death must be, implying, basically, eugenics.
"This soul is better than this other soul" etc. An inherent superiority and inferiority, separate from our minds, insulated, even from logic.
Your idea about the concept of souls being rooted in racism is interesting. Although you lost me when you jumped from life and death as an identity to eugenics.
Eugenics is the final boss of racism. It all leads to that, every time.
If god were to be real I’d like to think that finite and cringe concepts like “do you love me because I killed myself for you? (Tick the according box)” would be so laughably far removed from the conversation that’s it’s not even up for consideration.
The supposed almighty creator, who resides over everything in existence itself,…. Spends it’s time worrying wether or not you touched yourself and why you didn’t believe in the santa guy from a book mostly used by evil conmen. Don’t make me laugh.
It never seems to occur to them that if there was an entity so powerful that it could literally create an entire Universe out of nothing, and then monitor the progress of ever single element of that Universe, then that entity would be far too complex for our puny human minds to even comprehend.
And yet there are those among us who would dare to claim to know exactly what that all-powerful entity is thinking, and what it wants from us, and oh, yeah, it always costs a lot of money, gimme.
This always confused me too. It would be like an ant trying to understand the motivations of a human.
A long time ago, I had a friend bitching that people weren't getting all dressed up at her church. I've always said that if God was real, they wouldn't give a rats ass what people wore to church.
If god turns out to be real then heaven is likely hell.
Based on what god has shown us so far he is a dictator who enjoys watching his little creatures suffer in too many ways to count. He is most likely an emotionless psychopath. He used his Jesus avatar once publicly to show that he's "one of us", showed off his admin rights by turning water to wine and resurrecting himself, and then logged off again with no consequences.
It's the equivalent of a billionaire going with public transport for a day to show how grounded and normal he is.
If god exists and can truly control what comes after death then we are all fucked and need to find out how to kill him.
Maybe after death we resurrect into a full blown souls against god rebellion that has been going on for a few hundred years
Ooh that's a cool book idea.
That comeback flipped the whole argument on itself. “You lose” has never backfired faster. 😂
Dear Christian,
What if, after you die, you find out you're dead, and you've wasted your precious time all along?
You lose.
p.s. your God is obsessed with foreskins, you lose either way.
If there is a god, what's the chance that you have the "correct" one of all the religions ever invented? If you go to hell for following the "wrong" religion your chance of going to hell is much higher than of hitting the jackpot.
Yep Ancient Egypt had it right with their religion. You die and Osiris says hi.
Filthy infidel! The only true god is the Eagle God, that nobody has thought about in 37.000 years!
The way I figure it, if God exists he gave me a reasoning mind and provided absolutely no reasonable evidence of his existence. If he has a problem with me drawing the inevitable conclusion from that then fuck 'im.
If you look at it from God's perspective, assuming he exists, you have all of these groups of people who claim to worship him, and the biggest ones all have different holy books, and all of those holy books are flawed. They're even self-contradictory. I think God would be offended if people thought he was responsible for those piles of trash.
On the other hand, if God created our cosmos, surely he'd at least approve of people trying to understand it compared to boring people who ignore the world and just chant the same things over and over.
If god is real im going to try and kill him for creating a world with such evil happening to innocent people.
Any god who creates a place where babies are raped and murdered deserves to die.
I think the matter is simple.
If there is a God, he should let me in for being a good person. If he is as vain as Christians make him out to be, I wouldn't worship him anyway.
If god is real, he has a lot to answer for.
Also:
"If there is a God, he will have to beg my forgiveness."
- Unknown victim of the Holocaust, carved into the wall of a Mauthausen cell[
Pascal's Wager. Just as ludicrous as it was last time someone posted it.
Yeah, well...
MY religion says if you don't give me $20,000 you'll spend forever swimming through a pool of glass shards and lemon juice. Better be on the safe side - what if I'm right?
Pascal wager can be so easily thrown back…
« You better pray for forgiveness to the Christian god before dying… just to be sure! »
Ok.. but what if the Hindus were right all along and I just damned myself?! There’s a whole lot more Hindus.. I’m getting better odds by renouncing the Christian god instead
Dear reader,
What if, after you die, you discover that string theory is correct, the the universe and reality itself are all merely tendrils of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and that it thought you were kind of neat, so it decides to turn you into gelato... but only for a moment, as a joke, and then just does a ground hog day on you, as another joke?
You lose.
Braise Him pho-ever, r'Amen
The concept of absolute forgiveness is terrifying to me. Rape, murder, and make people suffer with greed and corruption all you want ... then say "Im sowwy about all that, forgive me" before you die and into Christian heaven you go. Fuck that. I want no part of that "heaven" ... that is where pure evil will reign, it will be hell.
If I were evil and wanted to corrupt a bunch of religious idiots I would tell them that they didn't have to be decent people, that they could just do what they wanted because a zombie god died for their sins. That would lead them to worship the wealthy and not care about their fellow humans, the suffering would be everywhere. Do you think that could work?
If I were evil and wanted to corrupt a bunch of religious idiots I would tell them that they didn't have to be decent people, that they could just do what they wanted because a zombie god died for their sins. That would lead them to worship the wealthy and not care about their fellow humans, the suffering would be everywhere. Do you think that could work?
That's pretty much the way it works now, so, yeah, start your own religion.
Pascals Wager was already stupid in the 17th century, it hasn't really improved in the 350 years since then. Why do we need to rehash this still.
But would either of you lose really. If god was real, and he punished you for not believing in him, is he the good guy or the bad guy. Sounds like the later. Which implies there is another who will reward you for just being a good person in general. So you wouldn't lose.
The other option that is more likely if you assume god is omnipotent is that all of the religions are made up by humans. Same with all the rules. A real omnipotent god wouldn't punish his own creation for doing what he created them to do. So again you don't lose.
A real omnipotent god wouldn't punish his own creation for doing what he created them to do
If you ever played a sims or rollercoaster game you know this ain't true.