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[–] Tomassci@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (18 children)

What I hate about the whole "Ukrainians are Nazis" thing, well, two things. It deliberately ignores Russian Neonazis, who are also doing a lot of bad shit in the world. But they're ignored because for Tankies, it is inconvenient that the state that is now just oligarchic capitalist might also host Nazis. Because their Anti-US position reduces it to a good thing, which is not very Marxist.

And also. Like,sure. Ukrainians have a far-right part of their population, like any other country. BUT RUSSIA DEFINITELY HELPED IT. Literally, when you invade a country, you help its nationalist sentiments, which will result in more Nazis and fascists. And, by the way, Russia has united with the US in spreading far-right propaganda, so there's that.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago

I mean even if they are, invading a country to stop the so called "nazi" and then occupy their land and take their child, is kinda like a nazi move. People who hate US doing this to multiple other country should immediately see how stupid the action are, but unfortunately tankie aren't very smart.

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[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But Putin said Lenin invented Ukraine. Does this mean Lenin was a Zionist?

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 12 points 1 week ago

Marxism-Leninism-Zionism

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org 15 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Why do they keep using nazi when fascist is the word they should be using when it comes to nationalist ideologies?

Also nationalsocialism is inherently anti-Jew, therefore being nazi and zionist doesn't really work out. Pick one or none, but you can't have both.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 16 points 1 week ago

tbf, one could theoretically have both. Nazis were down with Zionism insofar as it proposed to take all the Jews out of everywhere else and bring them to Palestine. Though they weren't wedded to Palestine; the Nazis also proposed Madagascar.

Politics, strange bedfellows, etc.

The bit where it gets strange is when you accuse a Jewish man of being a Nazi for the crime of (checks notes) wanting to reside in a country that isn't a Jewish ethnostate and has no plans to become one.

The reason why they use 'Nazi' is either because Nazi has stronger genocidal connotations, or because Russian propaganda pushes that anyone who opposes Russia as a Nazi, as the great crime of the Nazis to Russian ultranationalists is neither fascism nor genocide (else they might have to give a stern look to Great Leader Stalin) but opposing Glorious Mother Russia.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

TBH I don't think national socialism is that closely linked to antisemitism. If someone does everything else like the German WW2 nazis but replaces hate against Jews with hate against any other mostly powerless minority, I think it's fair game to call that someone a nazi. Though in that sense a lot of people who often get called nazis still aren't nazis in a narrow sense, because their organizational structure and general ideology is too different.

On the other hand, it's usually just used as a shorthand/slur for "extreme rightwinger" (are those even necessarily fascist?), and IMO that's not that much of an issue.

[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Palestinians are semites too.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

TFW 19th century German Jew haters fail at ethnology and/or latin

[–] TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Anywhere where I look up the characteristics on nazism, "fervent antisemitism" is a key element. It is mostly what sets it apart from fascism and a corporative state (Ständestaat/Austrofascism).

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The word literally gets used to describe someone that's too intense about grammar. Israel is constantly called a Nazi state (and rightly so because of the similarities).

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

A lot of modern antisemites see Israel as a solution to their problems.

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

You know why

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

Also nationalsocialism is inherently anti-Jew, therefore being nazi and zionist doesn’t really work out. Pick one or none, but you can’t have both.

It's not that the Nazis were anti-Jewish; many historical Zionists were anti-Jewish. It's that the Nazis preferred genocide through mass murder over genocide through mass deportation.

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[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago

none if any of that is an excuse for Russia to invade Ukraine.

There is also no excuse for Israel's ongoing genocide, nor the shitfuckery the US is up to bit those are separate things.

[–] green_red_black@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So anyone want to inform him that Zelenskyy got pissed off by Isreal buying stolen grain so much he is considering sanctioning Isreal over it?

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[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Got banned from .ml for saying Marx would be sad

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago

That is, strictly speaking, not true. Marx would be furious.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

And here I thought you'd normally not be a nazi and a zionist at the same time as in exterminate and wanting them to take Palestinian land.