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[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 88 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Broke: whitelist

Woke: allowlist

Bespoke: crackerlist

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

the real bespoke is to make crackerlist the banlist/denylist

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Please don't do the same for blacklist

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Crackerlist is unironically a masterstroke, I want this to be a thing now

[–] bubbalu@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

Added to Crackerlist
Reason: posted too passionately about casserole

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

masterstroke

Two steps forward, one step back

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (3 children)

paper impersonating bleach demons getting mad about the most harmless "slur" in the history of humankind again

[–] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 33 points 2 years ago

Honestly I find whitelists to be an... odd way of phrasing it. There's a reason most programmers have moved to block and allow lists. Don't really care about crackerlist, but I find it odd that they'd still use the naming conventions of white and black lists. Changing white to cracker doesn't make whitelists any less weird.

No idea how they give two shits about the word cracker when there is obviously a bigger issue.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

9/10 crackers do not ruminate in fear and dehumanization when they’re called that because there is no policy - historical or present - to oppress them as a group of people. Rarely do people say it with complete malice and desire for violence - it’s often said lightheartedly because everyone knows that the dynamics are just completely imbalanced. At worst they’ll be annoyed for 30 seconds and forget about it.

Hell, I’d argue honkey and redneck are more “offensive” because it’s a slur for poor white people, and this subgroup has and is still being targeted by the state today. But crackers don’t want to talk about class, even when it’s them who’s suffering.

[–] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We'd have to stop using any terms that include colors: redfaced (ashamed), red with rage, blackballed, black humour, black magic, black eye, black sheep, yellow journalist, red line, yellow card, red card, brown-noser, brown thumb, black-and-white thinking, black out, black as night, etc.

TAGLINE michael-laugh

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago
[–] borlax@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Indistinguishable from some boomer in the comments on Fox News

[–] borlax@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I really can’t stand contrarian/devils advocate takes. Especially this one that comes across purposely obtuse…

[–] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago

Can you imagine having to examine things you've previously taken for granted? THE HORROR!

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago

That's amazing we should start crackerlisting so we can crackerlist people becaus someone would get SO MAD and then we could point at them and laugh

[–] iie@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"allow list" and "block list" are so easy to understand

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hilariously it looks like ziq (who runs raddle), and emma (who develops it) are the main ones in that thread arguing for keeping terms like blacklist and master branch.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't see why anyone would bother dying on this hill. It's just so easy to swap words. "Oh some people find this a problem? Fair enough, we will use this instead." simple and done.

There are many things that we all go back and forth on here but this one is just so fucking easy.

[–] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ziq’s main objection seems to be that banning microaggressions is a slippery slope that results in wrecking campaigns which nearly destroy the site. Sounds less like a policy problem and more like a moderation problem.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I mean, yes wrecker shit is a problem. But you have to balance doing something objectively right (not using blacklist/whitelist) against the bad wrecker campaigns. Community needs to be inoculated properly to deal with them and if it's not that's simply poor community management to begin with.

If I wanted to be a wrecker I'd have an easier time doing it against a site admin team that refuses to do obviously good shit compared to being forced to find more and more esoteric things to complain about.

This is ridiculous, github liberals are literally more progressive than the so-called leftist.

[–] TheDeed@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even corporate tech places are phasing out the black/white master/slave language so its not like this is some obscure wrecker ask. When they're less socially progressive about this than say, Facebook, then it might be time to reconsider

Yeah, I don’t think it’s a ridiculous ask at all. I don’t think that it should be that hard of a thing to pull off and handle and I agree with what Awoo said below

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Folks, are colors by definition racist?

spoilerYes, especially purple

[–] Abraxiel@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And yet you have a purple avatar.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago

racist terminology

anti-cracker-aktion

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Raddle goes to war with itself

Isn't this, by definition, all arguments ziq has with themselves on Raddle?

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

HI Ziq! Hope you're doing well. I know you're lurking.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

Don't forget to say hello to all their alts as well

[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

Okay, change it to honkeylist.

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

The struggle of those of us who are eternally online

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

🤦‍♂️ sleepi

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

the lemmy so good that it's not actually a lemmy

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago
[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

This is so funny lmao. Out of all the things to fight about

I think white/black offends too few categories. For example, women aren't referenced at all. My suggestion is yinlist and yanglist.

Please rename right and left to Dexter and anti-dexter to be more inclusive.

(After I wrote this joke, I decided to check what Esperanto does, it's literally the same)