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TSA employees have been working without pay during a partial shutdown of DHS over demands to reform immigration enforcement.

More than 400 Transportation Security Administration workers have quit since a partial government shutdown that began on Feb. 14 left them working without pay, the Department of Homeland Security said.

Funding was shut off to DHS over demands by Democrats for reforms at Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection following alleged abuses and the fatal shootings of two U.S. citizens by federal agents in Minneapolis earlier this year.

There has also been a national callout rate of 10% at TSA on more than half the days of the last week, Lauren Bis, acting assistant secretary for public affairs at DHS, said Saturday in response to questions.

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[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 2 points 46 minutes ago

Funny how no other country either shuts down their government on a regular basis or needs the level of security theater of the TSA. Shit hole country.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 1 points 28 minutes ago

Don’t worry everyone ICE will get things done and back in order…oh shit…

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago

Working this hated job and hoping to maybe get paid is fucked up on so many levels.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

I really don't understand why any of them are showing up for work at all.

[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Gladly let the door kick them on the way out. Heard nothing but awful power tripping stories about them.

ICE is godawful and obviously worse. Both being gone would be great of course.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

You hear the occasional story, but MILLIONS of people interact with TSA every day, and it goes perfectly smoothly. There is nothing like mind-numbing repetition to create a smooth flow. And when you do hear of a problem, it's almost always started by the passenger.

TSA workers are just hard-working Americans, doing a job that has to be done. Keep your animosity aimed at those at the top who really deserve it.

And ICE Apes. They really do suck.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

TSA are just cops, and all cops are bastards.

But even if we ignore systemic issues with policing under capitalism, the fact remains that no, the job doesn’t have to be done, as evidenced by the fact that TSA fails penetration tests 90-95% of the time. They literally do not do the thing they were put in place to do, and nothing happens because of it. Terrorist attacks on planes are incredibly rare, and TSA does nothing to prevent them anyways. It’s all just theater to normalize law enforcement overreach.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 4 minutes ago)

They aren't cops, any more than the guy at the front gate into your neighborhood is a cop. They aren't trained, sworn law enforcement officers, they don't carry weapons, and they don't have arrest authority. I don't have a problem with those folks, until they start acting like they have cop authority, but that's pretty rare. Most of them just want a job where they just stand there.

The inspection system isn't perfect - NOTHING IS, and criticizing any massive system for not being perfect is disingenuous. Perhaps their presence is mostly theater, but it's useful theater. A major point of the system isn't just to catch threats coming onto the plane, but discourage people from using the airports or airplanes for whatever nonsense they're planning. In fact, that may be the bigger point. In this era of mass shootings, we can attribute the fact that we haven't had a maniac shoot up a plane to the presence of TSA, and the entire inspection system, and thank them. Who knows how many incidents they discourage every day?

Finally:

Terrorist attacks on planes are incredibly rare,

This reminds me of Trump whining that we had to abolish the Clean Air & Water Act, because our air and water is perfectly clean, this is just useless regulation. What it doesn't take into account was that when it started, our air and water quality was terrible due to decades of industrial pollution, leaded gas, and environmental neglect and abuse. That Act cleaned it all up, and had kept it clean. He just sees the successful result, and declares it useless. You're doing the same thing with TSA.

Before TSA, hijackings and airport attacks were common, all over the world, finally culminating in 9/11. We have not had a major incident like that since then. A couple of dipshits tried to light their shoes and underwear on fire, but both passengers and flight crews have adopted a different attitude, and beat the crap out of those guys, and TSA adjusted. Now we take our shoes off, and we get our naughty bits x-rayed. Some guy tried to sneak in water bottles with explosives, so now we can't have water bottles.

As for tiny shampoos, that has nothing to do with terrorism, just weight. You're going off for a long weekend, you don't need a giant bottle of every hair product you own. I don't want my plane going down because everyone had to bring a full 36 oz bottle of their backup hair conditioner.

The system was planned and implemented, and had evolved to address emerging threats, and the result has been far fewer incidents both in-flight and in the airports, and that is a direct result of TSA and the program that they operate.

I don't worry about flying at all these days, but if TSA were to leave, I don't think I would fly anymore. I don't mind driving, I kind of like it, looking for little local BBQ joints along the way.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Are you old enough to have flown before the security theater of TSA? Do you fly frequently enough to have witnessed the number of knives that get missed and taken on board flights and the number of nail clippers confiscated because they have a pointy file? Are you brown enough to have experienced a "random security screening" on the majority of your trips?

Have you had to deal with agents asking you what's in your bag and screaming at you not to touch it as if it contained a bomb that you're doing to activate? Oh no your toothpaste and USB charger overlapped in the x-ray and looked like an IED! Then they shove everything back in your bag so it doesn't close and tell you to move it so they can deal with the next suspect, and the only place to repack your bag is on a bench 15 feet away?

Have you traveled with children and had to have their water and formula manually checked for explosives? Have you had to disassemble you're stroller to put it through the x-ray, carrying your tired child while no one assists you, as you take your shoes off just in case you have a bomb in it?

Have you flown internationally and seen just how more convenient and friendly the security procedure is without TSA? Only to be reminded of it w on your return flight when TSA security screening happens at the gate after you go through the airport security? Random checks and luggage ruffling all over again.

Do you feel safer with the TSA "just doing their job"

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 57 minutes ago

Yeah, I've done ALL of that (well, maybe not traveling while brown), but never so dramatically as you describe, nor have I ever witnessed it. ALL of your situations are greatly exaggerated, or were provoked. Nobody has EVER "screamed"at me about touching my bag, that's just silly. I've never seen anyone scream about anything in a baggage inspection line in my life.

These people are doing an endless busy boring job, and they generally do it standing up all day, so I don't doubt they don't have the greatest job satisfaction in the world. I don't expect them to kiss my ass for the privilege of serving me, just be professional and efficient, and they are always that.

I often travel with specialized equipment in my carryon, and I EXPECT it to be pulled out for inspection. I have definitely been inspected FAR more than most other passengers, and in fact, I am surprised when they don't. Sometimes I see them all gathered around the screen, peering and pointing, and I'll call over "You're probably gonna wanna inspect that," and they all turn to look at me, and then they pull it off the belt, and bring it over for inspection, but not always. I once asked why NOT one time, and an obviously very experienced agent told me what all the items were just from the X-ray. I told him I was impressed he was so accurate, and he just smiled.

Perhaps your TSA problems aren't with TSA, they're with you. They are always polite and understanding when they inspect my bag, and let ME re-pack it right there at the inspection station. Are they smiling? No, they tend to be stiff at first, because they are anticipating a passenger like you, but they relax when they see I hold no animosity for another American worker, just doing their job. I often walk away with both of us smiling, because I give them a rare moment during the day when they aren't under attack.

These TSA workers are our neighbors, our friends, even our family members. They are doing a difficult job, without a lot of pay, and people like you giving them a hard time all day, every day. If you aren't getting the TSA experience you think you should have, maybe try a friendlier approach. It also tends to succeed in a lot more circumstances than just airports.

America is in a weird place right now, and these government workers are stuck on the middle. They aren't responsible for anything, they're just a cog in the wheel, doing it for a paycheck. They are exactly like the rest of us. Our beef isn't with them, it's with the psychopaths at the top. Beating up on our working colleagues doesn't do anything but drive our collective morale even lower, and it isn't even satisfying.

Save your animosity for those who deserve it, and support ALL American workers. They're the Good Guys.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I fly frequently and have never seen any of these scenarios. And wtf...a woman did try and bring an explosive liquid onto a flight in the early 2000s, it's why they have the liquids rule.

Fuck travellers and their outrage at mild inconvenience. The world is not safe, and if you don't like safety measures, please stay the fuck home.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 22 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

I’m honestly surprised the number is that low. If I wasn’t getting paid, I’d be looking for another job immediately.

[–] Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

I quit one of my many jobs because i didnt receive payment for one single day xd

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

A lot of banks have been giving 0% loans to those affected, so the situation isn't really as dire as media is making it out to be. This happens pretty regularly now during shutdowns.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

Look at the jobs report and you'll see why they'd rather tough it out.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 12 points 11 hours ago

Ditto. I need a steady paycheck. No one should put up with an employer who refuses to pay earned pay.

I am honestly still surprised that after decades upon decades of doing this, Trump still manages to get away with refusing to pay workers what they are owed. Somehow people just forget that or don't think he won't pay them.

In some cases there are some people who are wising up to him. The Kurds, for example, remember the sudden betrayal and withdrawal that Trump did in his first term and made it clear that they refuse to fight Iran or participate in his campaign in any way.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 14 hours ago (10 children)

They should get paid, but I’m not sorry that a government “make work” project is losing people.

How many threats has the TSA stopped?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

They catch someone trying to board with a gun every month.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

The overwhelmingly vast majority of those are normal travelers who didn’t realize that they weren’t following the rules.

[–] scottmeme@sh.itjust.works 39 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 25 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I've been 'randomly' screened all but one time for 'extra security' in the last decade (around 12 times). I'm a disabled dude who uses a cane for very short trips, and a chair for things like (shocking) dealing with the 30 minute trip to my gate. I even have PreCheck, because trying to take my shoes off and open my luggage when the right half of my body is basically deadweight isn't the greatest experience.

Also most of these times (10, I think) I also had one or both bags (carry-on and stowed) searched, because of 'unusual' or 'suspicious' objects. The objects in question have once been a laptop (those damn suspicious rectangles!) and the rest were bad dragon dildos. The first time it happened I was embarrassed, but by the 3rd time, I was smirking as they pulled out a big black canine cock, highlighter-pink liger (lion-tiger hybrid) cock, and/or a small marbled purple and cream liger cock, realizing that they are holding it up to inspect it, showing it to everyone in the area - including the children - and then very quickly stuffed it back into the bag.

The only thing tsa is good for is making people lose $125 (or whatever the price is now), embarrassing them, and showing dicks to underage children, essentially.

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

the rest were bad dragon dildos

I've seen other posts of people buying those specifically to fuck with TSA like that. Such a good idea.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I do it because I want to use them on my trip, but :P that's amusing

[–] wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Multi-purpose dildos!

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

TSA is the School Resource Officer of airports. They have stopped nothing and cost money that can go to other quality of life projects with better returns, like new bathrooms.

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[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 63 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

But who's going to grope children and ransack luggage?

Oh right, ICE.

Nevermind, crisis averted.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 12 points 14 hours ago

And this raises the question: the people who quit from TSA: where do they go work next?

Is ICE systematically poaching all the employees working for other federal, state and local enforcement agencies?

[–] who@feddit.org 24 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

The TSA shouldn't have been formed in the first place. It's expensive, invasive security theater.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

LOL. Same people who say this shit their pants on 9/11 and threw away their rights.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 7 hours ago

ice is even worst, since they are going to takeover tsa at the airports.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 10 points 11 hours ago

I remember when the TSA first started after 9/11. People were extremely critical of them from the get go. I still remember when Joe Foss (WW2 Medal of Honor recipient and the highest scoring US Marine fighter pilot ever) was stopped by the TSA in 2002 because they thought that the Medal was a weapon of some kind and even his dummy bullet souvenirs were to be taken and destroyed... he was able to get them to not take away his medal (he had to mail it to himself at his destination). This caused a small scandal at the time.

[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

As someone who is flying soon I am considering handing whoever I deal with a 10 and apologize for the bullshit.

I am expected to tip on every other damn thing in my life so I have been cutting everything else out, might as well give somebody the ability to buy a sandwich today.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 8 points 7 hours ago

Better make it a 20, your avg sandwich costs about 13-18 dollars in the majority of the USA.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Most tsa officers are pieces of shit and assholes.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 hours ago

They just announced that ice will be working with tsa at the airport in Atlanta. Oh boy, let’s have terrified travelers to and from us never go to the us again. They will be shipping you off the minute you land, I guess they will call it efficient.

Just when you think they cannot get a more stupid.

[–] over_clox@lemmy.world 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck, I wouldn't work without pay either. Hell, even slaves got fed at least. And its fucking sad to think of it that way, but it's the truth.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

they think ICE is going to solve the problem of the TSA shortage. also because people remembered the first shutdown in oct.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

No pay, no work. I’m not sure why it’s complicated, especially given there’s no guarantee that the backpay will be given. No matter whether it’s government or a pop up shady tradesperson company. “I work you pay me” is the distillation of the employer-employee relationship.

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