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Besides being br*tish and be called fucking Arthur

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[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 72 points 2 months ago (2 children)

because it's easier to think that this was just a top-down hard line or dictatorial regime implementing all these policies, and they're the ones doing the hunting down

Most people really were born yesterday, weren't they?

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 62 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It's been a recent topic among Holocaust researchers. IIRC back in 2017ish they did a study on how people were captured. The conclusion was that the SS didn't have the numbers to hunt people down, let alone go door-to-door searching every nook and cranny. Most people captured were taken by local law enforcement or lynch mobs, with additional Wehrmacht personnel helping where possible.

Then there were all the newspaper articles circulating in Germany about how many people were captured and deported, begging readers to notify authorities of any undesirables they might know of. People were often rewarded by getting first dibs on the stuff where people were hiding, so there was additional incentive to snitch.

In other words, the Germans did know what was happening and chose to become active participants. The idea it was just Hitler, his high command, and a few units among the SS is total horseshit. The only Germans who weren't guilty were the ones hiding Jews, Roma, the disabled, etc. Anyone not actively trying to sabotage the nazis was directly complicit.

The Germans got off really lightly for what they did. It would have been justifiable to hang every adult over the age of 18 with prison sentences for the 13~17 focused completely on re-education until they could show they weren't a danger to anyone else. They knowingly helped murder millions of their neighbors, friends, and coworkers, if they didn't murder them directly.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Some great research in Poland on this stuff, much to the universal opposition of all sides of the political spectrum there. Night Without End shattered Polish self-mythologizing

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Night Without End shattered Polish self-mythologizing

Nothing will stop Poland (or any Europeans) from self-mythologizing. Not even reality.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess what I mean is more that they just are fully in denialism now.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah to be clear this book, not the Alistair MacLean novel about freezing to death

[–] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

All the good Germans died in Dachau.

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

"Wir haben es nicht gewußt."

[–] XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

with vanishingly few exceptions germans and german speakers are all evil and always have been

[–] miz@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

can we at least hand it to them for the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest

no. of the many evils of the roman empire, failing to civilize the animals across the Rhine ranks at the top

[–] RedSturgeon@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

People don't want to listen. I've had an opportunity to meet a polish woman (she passed away a few years ago, bless her) who lived during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and she was scared, for us, because of where the world is heading. They always come up with excuses and it's so frustrating and tiring.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 66 points 2 months ago

I have not found one single instance of a straight person risking, helping, protecting a queer and trans person during this history

agony-consuming

So incredibly alienated from so much of society

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Morganthau_apology_form.jpg

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This never gets old, no matter how many time I read it. Perfect, no notes.

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

that "i dont know how much germans love genocide" option looking better by the day

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Seriously. It’s so funny. And depressing. So it loops back again to being funny.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Yes, precisely that.

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

This meme inspired me to learn who this guy is

[–] Bolshechick@hexbear.net 36 points 2 months ago

Least surprising thing ever if you're queer

[–] miz@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

what Harris are you talking about? Kamala? but she's not British. who? Arthur? none of this appears to connect to the image text

[–] casskaydee@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

From Wikipedia

Marshal of the Royal Air Force Sir Arthur Travers Harris, 1st Baronet, GCB, OBE, AFC (13 April 1892 – 5 April 1984), commonly known as "Bomber" Harris by the press and often within the RAF as "Butcher" or "Butch" Harris,[a] was Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief (AOC-in-C) RAF Bomber Command during the height of the Anglo-American strategic bombing campaign against Nazi Germany in the Second World War.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

strategic bombing

This might be the worst euphemism the west ever invented. It literally, actually means "intentionally killing as many civilians as possible".

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It literally, actually means "intentionally killing as many civilians as possible".

It's all targets chosen by some guys in a room pointing at a map and saying "destroy this thing, whatever it is, for reasons", as opposed to being picked out in the field by spotters or aircraft operating on their own discretion.

It's just mostly associated with the WWII and Korean war terror bombing campaigns the British and US carried out where the things being targeted were either residential areas or cities that had industry somewhere in them.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's just mostly associated with the WWII and Korean war terror bombing campaigns the British and US carried out where the things being targeted were either residential areas or cities that had industry somewhere in them.

I think you're right about the definition, that's my mistake. I've only ever heard it used to refer to these campaigns where they often avoided bombing war industry in favor of bombing civilians, knowing (especially later) that it was not an effective strategy.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago
[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

yeh so evidently I was right and a big celebrated social comeing out song and dance isn't necessarily a good thing hey

I was told by a comrade a few years back that all these tiny self identified categories will be used against us, it's what the nazis did, i keep thinking about this

article link - https://www.them.us/story/lgbtq-holocaust-history-facts-illinois-museum-concentration-camps

archive - http://web.archive.org/web/20251102042900/https://www.them.us/story/lgbtq-holocaust-history-facts-illinois-museum-concentration-camps

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Fuck the Census, too. They're going to de-anonymize it to round us all up. I'm a white man who makes $400k a year and voted for trump since the 1980's from now on.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago