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Venezuela says none of 11 killed in US boat strike were Tren de Aragua members
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 11 Sep 2025
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The only person in Washington talking sense about this is... Wait, let me double check. Uh, yea it's Rand Paul.
You know things are bad when the voice of reason is Rand Paul
That Rand Paul is the voice of reason bodes very very badly.
The thing with blowing them up instead of taking them into custody, is that there is no evidence to prove the allegations against them. They blew it up. If they really wanted to justify their actions, this was not the way.
We know they probably weren't just speedboat enthusiasts but blowing the boat up sets a precedent for extrajudicial killing without first establishing guilt.
Of course, this had nothing to do with justice, it was only about sending a very visual message to the other cartels that only US backed cartels are allowed.
Given that Venezuela has chronic shortages of almost everything, these days...it's entirely possible they were smugglers. But they could have been smuggling anything from mail-order packages, to cash, or even medicine. We'll never know now.
I know they're probably full of shit like any corrupt politicians, but it's nice to have them fight back. Even if they were convicted gang members, the US murdered all of them. I hope they spend the next few years fucking with this administration as much as possible. We need to get back to that place where locals fling shoes at our politicians, because we suck and need to back the fuck off.
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This will just motivate Venezuela to hurry around their military modernization effort possibly with a lot more public support than before
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I don't trust Trump about this, but I trust Venezuela about as much as I trust Trump.
Eh, Trump is absolute bottom of my list. Even if it's by a barely measurable amount, I trust everyone more than Trump. No exceptions.
Just because you haven't heard as much from Nicolas Maduro. Maduro's (lack of) connection to reality is similar to Trump's. In a slightly different world they would be best buddies.
No
I meant what I said, to and frankly can do without the insulting tone.
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All else being equal, the guy who destroys all the evidence is less trustworthy.
have you heard why there were 11 drug dealers together on a small boat and where they were supposed to be going?
when we asked in the towns, none were from Tren de Aragua, none were drug traffickers
Both sides provided "trust me, bro" as their proof.
Ok but the usa is the one who attacked so they are the one who has to provide evident. Venezuela doesn't have to prove anything
Even if they were gang members smuggling drugs, that's still not how the law is dealt in the civilized world. They're still civilians and it's still murder.
Agree i only debated that part of your previous comment Both sides provided "trust me, bro" as their proof.
There is only one side who should provide proofs with is the USA
You've been trained well.
....and the right says "well it was the liberals' fault so can you blame us??"
I mean obviously Trump and his goons are full of shit but so is Maduro. Is the any actual information about who these murder victims were and what they were doing? Just curious…
Doesn't matter. It's a war crime either way.
Like I said I’m just curious. Although there is no war so I think mass murder is maybe a more appropriate term?
It is a war crime as defined by the International Court. You don't have to be in a formal war to commit a war crime.
Doesn't matter if it's a war crime if there's no way to prosecute anyone.
Yeah, but it makes the poster feel good about himself.
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Collateral murder, just that it's not leaked but openly posted and there is basically no outcry
Paul has argued the US cannot simply kill people suspected of wrongdoing without due process
The fact that this is a real sentence in a real news article is honestly beyond insane.