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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by iie@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net

The comments are what you expect. All agree that we're psychopaths who support genocide and just want authority as a goal in itself. All agree we do no leftist praxis, I guess just based on vibes. One user wrote:

let’s be honest, they should be removed from society

which is cool. One-on-one, online or in person, I'm pretty patient with people like this, but when I see a whole thread like this with hundreds of upvotes and no pushback it makes me feel tired.


lemmy.ml link in case any of you have alts and want to wade in: https://lemmy.ml/post/6930975

The democracy thread she commented in right before posting this: https://lemmy.ml/comment/5160468

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 121 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

they do this a lot. its disappointing to see trans users be ok with shit like this. especially considering how many chasers are in that comm. fam, you can do better, and you should demand better

it always reminds of this one time i helped a trans lady out, bought her transit to her appointment to hrt, bought the hrt, she came back to the center to hug me and said i changed her life and that what i did made things so much easier for her. some time later she realized i was a communist (i think someone made a joke about it or something), asked me if it was true (i said yes, i help people), then she yelled at me about being a tankie and ghosted the whole center. i didnt even say anything or get in an argument, she just overheard it. i cant help but mourn the idea that she could have had a good and safe space and made a lot of friends, but she ended up hurting herself due to propaganda.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 78 points 8 months ago

That's the bleakest personal story I've read in a while. desolate

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 77 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

yeah ive shared it here before. its always how i feel about sectarian trans people, kinda bleak. like i even excuse many lib behaviors in trans orgs because we all know how awful the outside world is to trans people. i only ever had to kick out someone once (some weird ass finnish fascist trans person that started harassing a jewish person). nobody really ever goes that far. having someone kick themselves out is just as disheartening.

my brain is a bit ptsd addled right now, sorry if im not explaining how i feel properly.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 46 points 8 months ago

For what it's worth, I think you are communicating very clearly. It sucks how that person was so fixated on their anticommunism that it destroyed what was probably one of their better prospects at finding a supportive community.

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[-] Flinch@hexbear.net 116 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I never see "kick Nazis out of 196". Interesting curious-marx

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 83 points 8 months ago

i never see 'kick chasers out of 196'. interesting curious-marx

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 62 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It is hard to kick their own ass. And the guy who started this blahaj freefall is clearly a fed cryptonazi.

[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 94 points 8 months ago

Kinda weird that they hate “red fash” more than regular fash thonk

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[-] ImmortanStalin@lemmygrad.ml 85 points 8 months ago

Ironically, the undoctored image is of a Nazi being punched.

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 59 points 8 months ago

Tankies, famous for getting SS and swastika tattoos, liking screwdriver and not looking like the girl on the left instead

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[-] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 51 points 8 months ago

And who are the originators and primary beneficiaries of the premise that international socialists and national 'socialists' are the same? Liberals try not to stand on the shoulders of Goebbels challenge (impossible)

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 81 points 8 months ago

The white children posted a butthurt meme, we shall not repost it nor reply to it

[-] Grimble@hexbear.net 46 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

(David Attenborough voice) In the period following its birth, the Cracker enters what is known as the Childhood phase. For Crackers of the Great Lakes variety, this stage may last anywhere from 18 to 40 years. Progress is often sluggish, frequently delayed by the outside threat posed by prey - an invasive population of Tankies, native to Siberia

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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 80 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I read through most of that thread and christ it is tiring, I agree. Historically illiterate bastards equating China to Nazi Germany left and right with only a couple voices of reason.

Their idea of MLs is completely incoherent. What, do I want to be a dictator? I am actively averse to personally having authority, that shit is too much of a hassle, I get a headache just imagining it for the sake of counterargument.

So what do I actually want? Since these people seem to think being ML is just pure "authoritarianism" with no true beliefs of any kind.

I want people to be fed, clothed, housed, educated, and so on [in short: their needs provided for] and I want the entity doing that to defend itself from the capitalists seeking to undermine that process. It's a very simple desire and something that, for all the valid criticism you can make of the CPC, something it does, as does the DPRK.

You really described it the best, it's just tiring.

Edit: I wonder how many overt neoliberals are there chanting hand-in-hand with those so-called "anarchists"

[-] axont@hexbear.net 71 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They think you're either lying about wanting liberation for marginalized people, or that you'd entrust the task of liberation to a bunch of liars who would instead simply recreate capitalism but worse. They also believe you secretly harbor a suite of bigotries like transphobia or Islamophobia and you'd gladly endorse genocide against such groups so long as you had some vague aesthetic of socialist revolution. You're right that it's incoherent. None of what they're saying makes sense.

That's really the entire accusation. You're both brainwashed and insidious, you're dishonest, and you praise countries that are designated as "capitalism but worse somehow."

There's also a really serious element of nationalism that can't be ignored in the word "tankie." It means a westerner who is regarded as a traitor. You're praising foreign countries who are enemies of the west and that violates every other western political framework. Principled anarchists and communists get called tankies because we're the only westerners who wholly reject western hegemony.

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[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 79 points 8 months ago

It's always weird seeing trans people hanging out with thinly veiled fascists and chasers yet spending all their energy being mad about 'tankies.'

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[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 77 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

let’s be honest, they should be removed from society

good luck with that. there's a reason why socialist states have a military and police.

[-] sisatici@hexbear.net 84 points 8 months ago

"when they came for communists, I told them exactly where they are to own those authoritarian red fash tankies"

[-] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 70 points 8 months ago

"Then they came for me and I instantly joined their cause"

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 70 points 8 months ago

Calling tankies fascist while I call for the cleansing of tankies

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 69 points 8 months ago

Read "The Jakarta Method" to know how it was done historically.

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[-] iie@hexbear.net 52 points 8 months ago

I think they mean us

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 75 points 8 months ago

Reminder that anti-communism is a prerequisite of fascism

[-] MalarchoBidenism@hexbear.net 73 points 8 months ago

Communism is the only political ideology where for some reason it's acceptable to claim its proponents don't believe in the things they say and actually secretely believe the opposite. No one is ever "just pretending" to be a liberal, a conservative, a monarchist, a fascist, a social democrat or a libertarian, it's just communists. They never explain what one gets out of this "pretending" either.

And the worst part is these people are themselves leftists, so they have surely heard the same "you're just bitter and jealous of rich people smuglord" bullshit from conservatives, but they turn around and repeat it at us.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 59 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I sometimes peek my head into chud communities and they actually do this too, sometimes with weird funny parallels to what we get. It's why the term RINO exist. They will frequently accuse conservative figures of secretly being too liberal or too socialist. It was actually frequently mentioned by some who were critical of Trump before he got elected, he was called a New York liberal, etc. Chuds also absolutely accuse liberals of lying and actually being Marxists (don't laugh!)

Libertarians do this too, frequently accusing their own of being statists or socialists for the smallest violation of ideological purity.

Liberals and conservatives have to accuse us of lying about what we want because we often have political demands that align with theirs, especially if they're working class, and that causes cognitive dissonance. So the only mental strategy they have is to accuse us of trickery. They'll make childish analogies like saying socialists want everyone to have a pony, or they'll say our demands are so extreme there must an equal price to pay. As in, for every gain in rights for the working and poor, there must be an equal loss in rights.

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[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 72 points 8 months ago

Hey what do you know, some of them can think for themselves:

@BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world

I’m an anarchist, we don’t call anybody tankies. Tankies is a term coming from the UK i think the 80s some eastern european nation was taken over by the USSR and some Brittish came out in support of it. So they were called tankies.

These political fighting words need to be layed to rest. Communists hate me as much as anybody else but I’d rather engage on the idea level instead of ad hominem attacks and name calling.

I suspect this whole tankie thing might be a coordinated propaganda campaign geared at discrediting communists and at the same time creating tension between them and other leftits. I suspect this as this whole infighting over small differences doesn’t lead to a victory for the left but effectively disables and neutralizes it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsqE9kEsDVY

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 45 points 8 months ago

they should come to hexbear, the only anarchist instance on the lemmyverse!

[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 71 points 8 months ago

even banned users are evading and participating in a community it calls reactionary and transphobic just to stick it to hexbear tankies

[-] Babs@hexbear.net 61 points 8 months ago

That user is dronerights, talking about itself.

It was banned for transphobia.

[-] crosswind@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago

I look forward to a week or two from now when we can just lump it in with silver-legion

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[-] onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 8 months ago

Even as an anarchist that place frequently makes me cringe

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 69 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's not ideologically anarchist, it's aesthetically anarchist. Which is why they latch on to a century old conflict between anarchists and Marxist leninists in Spain instead of actually applying any sort of critical rigor to their interactions with the world.

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[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 64 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

undermine democracy

oh no, if that happens... then even if 80% of Americans want universal healthcare we wouldn't get it!

[-] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 55 points 8 months ago

Who gives a shit about what the chaser instance has to say.

[-] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 45 points 8 months ago
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[-] KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 8 months ago

I used to lurk on r/196 a lot. Doing that actually helped push me further left than I was before and it felt like a safe space by being so pro-LGBT. But after becoming a communist, seeing how "anti-tankie" and liberal they often are, it's just sad really. I feel like there's a sizable portion of people there that just want to feel they belong and end up buying into the whole "anti-tankie" narrative without knowing better.

Also, this image in particular is fucking insulting. Equating us to nazis is not only revolting, it shows how little they understand of what they are talking about.

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[-] sharkfucker420@hexbear.net 41 points 8 months ago

I have a soft spot for 196. I used to frequent it pretty heavily and a lot of the people there are so fucking sweet but unfortunately so misguided. Their anti-tankie rhetoric often comes from a place genuine concern, they truly believe in democracy under capitalism and radically changing the system from capitalism means removing democracy in their heads. Some of them can be depropagandized, I am living proof of that and I hope one day they'll come to understand.

[-] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I don't see how someone who lived though the 2020 BLM protests and covid and still thinks they live in a democracy can be radicalized.

If watching every city's police respond to protests against police brutality with more brutality while every dem increased their funding and republican begged for the blood of children, while a million Americans are sacrificed at the alter of capital didn't wake them up, I can't conceive of a scenario that would.

The military using live ammo? Famine?

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