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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 87 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Never on the right side of history.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 64 points 2 years ago (6 children)

We were that one time, and we’ve been milking it ever since.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 54 points 2 years ago (9 children)

WW2, we only joined because Japan attacked. Otherwise, there were elements of the US population that were cheering for Hitler.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago (10 children)

We also nuked two cities, for reasons much less honorable or necessary than the one we are told.

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago

The US has never opposed fascism - Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany were colonialist rivals threatening US hegemony and influence and nothing more.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

People don't realize that the US used to see fascism as a sort of white utopia. It was really popular up until WW2 when they hard turned on it. Kind of like what happened with communism, actually. It was seen as a revolutionary form of democracy up until the cold war, now people only know it for all the propaganda that came out of the era. (most of which was flat out lies made up on the spot by actual nazis)

It's a lot of the reason why the modern day liberal is so staunchly both-sides when it comes to anything geopolitics.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 72 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imperial America is a death cult.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago

…In the fields, bodies burning as the war machine keeps turning…

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's particularly notable is that US vetoed the resolution that Russia put out on the basis that it did not condemn Hamas. However, US also vetoed subsequent resolution by Brazil that did condemn Hamas without giving a coherent explanation for the second veto. The only conclusion that can be reasonably drawn here is that US regime wants people to suffer and die. US is intentionally enabling a genocide in Gaza against the will of the rest of the world.

To sum up, fuck the US regime.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

without giving a coherent explanation for the second veto

They said that they vetoed because "Brazil didn't say that Israel has a right of self-defense".

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's not a coherent explanation given that the purpose of the resolution is to have a ceasefire as in both sides ceasing hostilities.

[–] CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It doesn't even make any sense period. States are the ones that delineate "rights." A sovereign state would never need to affirm its "rights" or have them affirmed, unless their sovereignty was conditional.

So, all of this is a show the international (imperial) community plays to endorse the genocide. The US gives the occupier of Palestine the "right" to defend itself from blowback and demands support from its other vassals and victims to solidify the sovereignty of an illegitimate project through their recognition as legitimate players. Yet this seemingly challenges the sovereignty of the project, almost as if it is just a US colony in need of permission....

The US would never - maybe not even rhetorically - rely on rights granted to it by the international community to assert its imperial sovereignty. The society of states is such a fucking joke.

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[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The UN is such a fucking joke

[–] dmonzel@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The U~~N~~S is such a fucking joke

Fixed that for you.

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[–] fisco@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] wombat@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

I love democracy.

[–] Luccajan@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (5 children)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think mostly because the Allied Powers won WWII and got to make the rules. Often the argument is made that, by giving the nuclear-capable countries veto power, they’re less likely to use those weapons, but that might be more of a rationalization than the actual reason.

[–] Neato@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago

All it really boils down to is that the UN is toothless when trying to regulate any nuclear-armed country and any country or conflict a nuclear-armed country has an interest in. It absolutely sets certain countries apart in a multi-tiered system of international cooperation.

[–] livus@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

@Luccajan basically the UN is a forum for dialogue and we need the big players to be part of it.

If they don't get veto on the security council they will have a tantrum and leave, which will benefit no one.

The superpowers already flout international law when they really want to, because there is nothing the rest of us can do to stop them, but it would probably be far worse if they weren't even part of the UN.

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