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Top Trump official Stephen Miller's recent declaration that anyone who "preaches hate for America" will face deportation has ignited alarm online, with critics warning the statement disregards First Amendment protections.

Social media users and legal analysts raised immediate concerns, pointing out that expressing dissent or criticism of the government is protected under the First Amendment. Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.

The backlash has reignited broader debates over the limits of free speech, especially as civil liberties fall under scrutiny. While immigration enforcement remains a core theme of President Donald Trump's platform, critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller's is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.

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[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 4 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

With a rusty pipe. I preach hate for America, were the baddies. Come get me pussy.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 hour ago

Wow, what a dumb thing to claim when you have surrounded yourself with “free speech absolutists”. They are going to lose it on him, right? …. Right?

[–] Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

guns. purge.

[–] TON618@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

If America wants people to stop hating, maybe instead of trying to wipe it's ass with the first amendment, it should stop cultivating hate with it's actions.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago

If America wants people to stop hating

What makes you think that is on the agenda? Hate is their specialty. A divided people are no threat to the oligarchy. Hate for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 1 points 20 minutes ago

They don’t want people to stop hating. They want the us to consume itself.

[–] SwordandArt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Hate has been actively cultivated online through various psyop campaigns over the years. It may have started offline but it skyrocketed with the growth of the internet to specifically destabilize the US.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

He means anyone who doesn't kiss his ass.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 6 points 2 hours ago

This walking penis needs to be catapulted into the sun.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 4 points 2 hours ago

This reminds me, i have to sharpen my guillotine.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago

Kapo Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller.

[–] Liberteez@lemm.ee 12 points 8 hours ago

Free means all.

Rise, or fall.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

If they destroy the first, use the second. That's why it was ratified!

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It wasn't. At all. And you can clearly see armed people aren't lining up to stop a clearly lawless authoritarian tyrant from holding power over them.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 7 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

This all just got started. People are still hoping something changes before they have to commit murder. By next summer, the attitude will be different.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 3 points 51 minutes ago

The law was put on place to maintain a standing US military, which was used to crush rebellions. People aren't attacking the government to put down tyranny. That's not a function of the US legal system.

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 1 points 38 minutes ago

Just started? Are you fucking joking?

[–] Liberteez@lemm.ee 8 points 8 hours ago

Free means all.

Rise, or fall.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

CANADA. Take note!! Get out and vote!!

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I'm gonna laugh so hard if the polls are correct (Canada has less of an issue here) and Trump causes Pierre Populism to go from a majority to a minority. I'm still voting and I am encouraging everyone I know to as well.

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 1 points 15 minutes ago

They will cook the voting machines

Then for some reason there won’t be a hand recount

And the fascists are in charge

That’s what happened in USA

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

The polls suggest a Liberal majority and PP might lose his seat.

[–] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 28 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Some worried the administration was veering into an authoritarian territory.

Yeah no fucking shit. It has been happening since he got into office you fucking dipshits.

[–] jabeez@lemmy.today 2 points 1 hour ago

Yep, and in no small part because of this shit right here, mealy-mouthed normalizing of a fascist.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

"Veering into authoritarian territory"?! They set course for that the moment he was sworn in and floored it, have you not been paying attention?!

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

Well before. The only thing he has been open and honest about. yet here we are.

[–] opus86@lemmy.today 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

After all the stuff Stephen Miller pulled during Trumps first term, I can't believe no one made sure he couldn't do it again. Apparently, I'm an idiot for thinking someone would hold him accountable.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Could you remind us all the stuff he pulled?

[–] p3n@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I can hardly believe that we have devolved so far, so quickly. We are literally one step away from becoming an authoritarian dictatorship. The plan is this:

  1. Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) immigrants. These immigrants will mostly be legitimately illegal and gang associated criminals, but there will be a few individuals with legal standing and no criminal records. This could simply be the result of denying due process, or it could be an intentional test. The important factor is that 5th Amendment Due process rights are denied to all of them. The fact that these people (but be sure to de-humanize them as much as possible) are immigrants will be the distracting factor. <---- We are here

  2. Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) criminals. These will be legitimate criminals with legitimately horrible records; that will be the distracting issue that will be made the focus of the argument: "They are serial killers, rapists, pedophiles, we don't want them here, so we should get rid of them." This has already been announced as the plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUfrwWz-m5I . That is not the point! The point is that they are still U.S. citizens, despite their crimes. The significance of this is that it will be the final barrier that needs to be broken, and the final protection that must be dismantled for the final solution to be enacted. If no one steps up and successfully defends the constitutional rights of these American citizens, then all the pieces will be in place for step 3.

  3. Deport (and by deport, they mean imprison for life) political dissidents, rivals, business opponents, and maybe just anyone the administration doesn't like. If they are political dissidents they will claim that they have committed crimes like, "hate speech against America(TM)", if they are a minority, they will be "associated with gangs", if they are business rivals it will have committed "economic terrorism", or something like that. It doesn't really matter because they eliminated due process in step 1 (remember that was the important factor, not the immigrant dis-tractor), and without due process they don't have to prove any crimes. Our last defense would have been the simple fact that we are American Citizens, but we established that doesn't matter in step 2 because they were "bad people", but now the "bad people" are whoever the administration decides is bad.

The context of the 5th amendment is important to understand its intent:

Historically, the Fifth Amendment draws significant influence from English common law. The grand jury clause specifically dates back to the Magna Carta, and was designed to protect accused persons from prosecution by the English royalty. In keeping with that intention, the Constitution’s framers opted to adapt the grand jury to the Constitution, so as to protect citizens from prosecution by the federal government.
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Even in a Monarchy, which is not the form of government we are supposed to have, the Magna Carta offered protections against the King from prosecuting commoners, which is the origin of this amendment. We aren't just devolving to pre-revolution America, which had enough disagreements with the rule of King George III that it sparked a war...no we are devolving to a pre-Magna Carta England type of Government. We are descending into middle-age feudalism with complete authoritarian rule.... and we aren't fortunate enough to have a dictator like Alfred the Great.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

He literally SAID he was going to do this. I don’t understand why anyone is surprised.

[–] KMAMURI@lemmy.world 1 points 35 minutes ago

It's the one thing he was truly honest about and they laughed at him and watched marvel movies.

[–] Ton@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago

thiel unlike many other billionaire seems to stay out of the spotlight, because they dont want attention upon themselves, hes a mastermind of TRUMP through vance. thiel being GAY also makes him a big target if hes in the news too many times. one of the reasons he went after gawker by using hogan as intermediary.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 points 9 hours ago

kinda like how SA have banned LGBTq, immediately deports people if they come out.

[–] fireduck@lem.trashbrain.org 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Skipping the first amendment would be making some speech illegal. With like a law and courts. They are also skipping the 5th, which would be due process.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago

The Founding Fathers gave us the 2nd Amendment as a protection against anyone who would take away any of the other amendments. These people are DARING us to use it.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 21 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Why do Americans still talk about the constitution like it means something or is still relevant?

Your constitution is GONE. It's a historical artifact. It has no meaning in today's America.

All that matters now is the whim of the emotional toddler in the White House. Get used to it. He's not going until he's dead.

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 34 points 16 hours ago (9 children)

I love America… I fucking hate Trump, MAGA and the GOP.

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

A lunatic Nazi clown says what?

[–] match@pawb.social 19 points 14 hours ago

america means freedom and diversity and immigrants. the trump administration hates america

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

Just for the record, I hate America and I think you should too.

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